It's time for a new category
1 year ago
England

yeah i guess that's true on second thought. adding king olly does add a lot more work and confusion to a boss rush where we can just add up times easily with the game's timer so i would be for removing olly from a boss rush

Peru

Press F for King Olly, also yeah true, but I thought we do a external timer because the transition of click to the other boss also take time, so if someone edit a video of only putting all the bosses in one video, that it will count? (also, go to king olly isn´t hard, you have like 2 pipe and yes you are in his suit)

Edit: Well it would be optional if we separted bossrush with only time in-game and why king olly, that would it works?

Edited by the author 1 year ago
England

i thought just taking the time of all the bosses is easier, because then to get the time you just use a calculator or something, and exclude the menu transition from one boss to another?

United States

I feel like editing all the separate boss fights under one RTA timer would be harder to edit and would question the legitimacy of if they were all done consistently one after another or the best fights over multiple attempts, adding all the separate Bossatronic times together from one uncut video is the best option

Peru

So in conclusion, bosstronic rush is all the bosses but the time is counted with the in-game time, and for the streamers runs? we do like starting when the autosave end (or in case of starting in a separe streamer when the screen Mario appears), or when the confeti upgrade animation end in the previous chapter?

United States

I feel like if we want to emphasize that streamer IL's could be done from a full run, then it should probably be 1st input after the autosave that takes place after the chapter ends so that any Streamer IL attempts with dedicated save files don't have to go an instance back to the previous boss to start the timer at the end of the confetti upgrade animation or the actual save from there

Texas, USA

I haven’t interacted with this community for awhile but if a Boss Rush category is made, I would really push for it to be timed in real time and include King Olly, and maybe even do the bosses in order. It keeps it more in the spirit of a speedrun rather than a collection of IL attempts.

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England

I'd want king olly to be included but adding him, just as Dirk said, would make timing the run a bit more complicated. For all bosses in the bossotronic, the game gives you precise timings on when it starts and ends. King olly doesn't have this so something like livesplit would be used, but would it be just for that boss or for the others and what about menus? Having the timers of the bossotronic bosses instead of livesplit would be much less complicated. Also i don't think it matters which order you'd do bosses in, but I guess it would make sense to do it in chronological order, but ultimately doesn't really matter in my opinion. Some may want to get bosses that they struggle with out of the way first so if they mess up, it's just near the start and less time is wasted on attempts. If someone was super good at pencils but bad at stapler, they'd get all the way to the end of the run and then fail and have to restart.

New Jersey, USA

Just keep in mind for any category suggestions you make, you should have a run along with it.

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Japan

Red Streamer: Starts at the start of the full game (or Mario is stuck in the tree), ends when the fanfare thing ends (all streamers end this way). I've already tried.

Other Streamer: Since it is meaningless to create a category unless a certain number of records are submitted, I think it is better to start measurement at a time when it is easy to retry. I will refer you to past posts, I think the following, for example, would make it less stressful and more challenging to retry, since you can start with the main sections of the run: Blue Streamer: Timing starts when you enter the tram (or get out of the tram) Yellow Streamer: Timing starts when you set sail with Bobby for the first time Purple Streamer: Timing starts when you set sail with T. Ode for the first time Green Streamer: Timing starts when entering the pillar of light that allows you to reach Shangri-Spa Olly: Timing starts when entering Bowser's Airship and ends when closing the final text box, from Luigi

Boss Rush: Various options are possible, but I think it would be better to simplify the measurement rules and make it easier to challenge.

The simplest way is to not include Olly, fix the order, and measure the time between the "EV" selection and the darkening after the "beetle" is destroyed. (It seems that some players have run with this rule in the past. Apparently it takes about 50 minutes.)

As for the auto-save, I don't think you need to worry about it when measuring, as I think it will fill in a good record when you practice. ...... Still, there is a possibility of the loss, though.

It may depend on the vote on whether or not to include Olly, whether or not to refer to in-game time, etc.

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Peru

For the streamers category, I think is different in every stream. I believe that the better option from start every stream is here:

Red stream: Start when you select the file at the start of the game

Blue, yellow, purple, green stream: Start after you beat the previous streamer, I mean, after you destroy the stream, olivia talk or someone else talk and then there is a auto save, in that time the next stream start, and the same case if you are doing a individual run, your run start when mario appears after you selected the file, and not when the file of that part is selected (because I think that make you lose 3 sec)

King Olly: This is curious because in some runs you can skip the autosave for bowser cinematic skip, so in that case I´m not sure how could it be, maybe like Y_U say, when you enter to the bowser ship and the autosave is charged, maybe that can work with king olly

For the Boss rush, yes i think King olly can´t be included, but maybe can exist 2 types of boss rush, bosstronic only, and all bosses, bosstronic only is, you know, all the bosses from bosstronic, and all bosses include king olly, that is my idea but it depends how the comunity takes

Wisconsin, USA

I personally also really like this idea because streamer ILs also make great practice for a full any% run

United States

A thought occurred to me… There is no IL category for completing Scuffle Island. It would require RTA timing rather than an in-game timer, but King Olly has already set a precedence for that. Here is my proposition:

Time should start after closing the textbox to begin the fight with Paper Macho Goomba (the initial time through the island has multiple textboxes rather than 1. This should eliminate that discrepancy though idk why you’d run this on an initial playthrough)

Time should end either:

  • When the sound plays for the “Prize Total” after defeating Paper Macho Buzzy Beetle (or just when that text appears)
  • When the Toad Statue finishes dropping your earnings.

What do you think? Considering the ease of accessing the arena since it only requires a single completed save file and can be repeated as much as you want just like the Boss fights, I think it works as a challenge to add to the leaderboard.

Edit: I think I’ll do an example run just to show exactly what I mean in terms of timing.

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Peru

I think it would be a great idea, but it would be with the Misc. like the Ringers, apart of that I like the idea.

Also, I think the Streamers IL I think they can be based when the loading sequence end, I mean, when you beat Red streamer, olivia talks and then appears a "saving", so when it ends and START moving, that would be the time when the Next streamer will count, also I say this because if you reload the game, it would appear after that and you start the run when Mario is moving after that (that is for the people that have saving data in that part). This metod can work on blue, yellow, purple and green streamer, for king olly it would be when you leave the place where you fight Scissors (that is for Bowser skip and for the people that have a saving data in that place), the time will count after the screen where off.

It would be good idea Idk if you agree with this

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United States

Oh yeah I guess Misc. would make more sense for Scuffle Island, good idea.

United States

Update, I have posted an example run to my channel, with a time of 7:58.52 based on the timing method I outlined previously:

If you have recommendations on timing differences, split changes, etc. please do tell. I want to see this category on the leaderboards!

England

Since you start the timer on completing the first textbox, my only thought it maybe after you close the last textbox? But either way you do it, how you did in your run or how I suggested would work I think, and I think it's an interesting idea for a run and I'd love this to be a category.

United States

Thanks to HeisDaBomb attempting this challenge we have some more information on the idea of a Scuffle Island IL. Due to the possibility of a random bonus being awarded after the Buzzy Beetle is defeated (which adds an additional textbox) I think the timing method I’ve outlined before will be appropriate:

  1. Start after closing the white textbox (right before the Goomba raises up the platform)
  2. End time when the text appears for the “Prize Total” after defeating Buzzy Beetle.

So how about it? The timing method has been solidified, should this be a category?

England

I really want it to be a category, I think it'd be really fun and isn't too hard to get into as it's very short, as opposed to any% which lasts hours. And the timing seems all good and I've found no other variables that would make the timing method Zaku stated ineffective.

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