Knife Only
4 years ago

Greetings. I have an idea I would like to run by the community. I propose that this category should lose the Easy/Normal/Hard tabs and the default difficulty should be Easy. This idea came to me when I went to route the health pickups for an Easy run. My reasons are the chances of a single segment run being completed are drastically increased on Easy compared to Normal/Hard. I believe that this could bring in some Knife runners as well. Considering people won't have to constantly reset on the Train, Facility, and the Bat in hopes to get a very good segment. I understand Yami and Liv have put effort into their times, but I believe this is a good step forward regarding this game for speedrunning. I believe this should definitely be considered and discussed between the community. Thanks for your time!

RapixOnGaming likes this
Valhalla

I agree with @Pessimism. Personally when I got interested in running RE0 I was really surprised to see Segmented runs accepted in the leaderboard in one category, even if that category is Knife Only in the unforgiving RE0. I had never seen that before in any game anywhere.

I appreciate RE0 is probably the most difficult RE out there, and Knife Only runs on this game are mental, but accepting Segmented runs for this reason seems to be a bit of a stretch for me and not a solution.

Segmented runs are funny and nice to watch but they go too far in the definition of "Speedrun". Same can be told for TAS runs for example. They are similar for me in the definition. Interesting but not a Speedrun.

Let's agree Normal Single Segment runs are nearly impossible and even if someone will eventually make it somehow, that wouldn't make it automatically a Speedrun, but rather a messy long challenge run. On the opposite, deciding that Easy is the difficulty to go for Knife Only that would make it a real speedrunnable category, it could be late for spark competition, but I can tell personally I would have given it a try myself 2 months ago when I was running RE0. I started with Segmented Normal and got bored pretty quickly.

My two cents is to get rid of all Segmented run as well as keep only Easy mode, getting rid of Normal and Hard modes until someone proves N/H SS possible in a respectful time (not a 4/6 hours run or so). We could keep an open rule that Normal will be re-added if someone manage a run maybe?

I also propose to do the same for Resident Evil Zero Leech Hunter as well. Open the category "Knife Only" accepting only Easy as difficulty.

Finally, one last reason why I believe this is the way to go... Will you ever see a Segmented run in GDQ? Of course no! Will you ever see a RE0 Easy SS Knife Only run in GDQ? why not? it might.

Cheers

Precisely Anderson. It would just have PC, PC Doorskip, HD Console, and SD Console.

RapixOnGaming likes this
France

I understand your intention, but if we change this, that means our runs would be "removed". Also, if someone clear a run in normal (very hard but not impossible), we will need to show somewhere the difficulty. I can propose you to put the difficulty as a variable rather than a sub-cat.

RapixOnGaming likes this

That's fair Yami. That gets my vote.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Valhalla

I don't think it is a good idea to mix difficulties together, Easy is times by RTA and Normal by IGT. I would keep only Easy runs until someone can prove Normal possible. In that case opening the sub-cat "Normal" if when someone makes it Single Segment.

Oh yeah. I didnt think about that actually.

Valhalla

I must say that if the solution is to keep all runs both segmented and single segment, and all runs both timed by RTA and IGT in the same tab the leaderboard was actually better before any change :)

However, I haven't run this category and not planning to do it anytime soon either, so up to you guys I guess.

Maybe a good compromise for everyone could be to revert all changes and simply take "Easy" out of "Miscellaneous". So SS and Segmented runs are separated, IGT and RTA timed runs are separated and Easy is considered less of a meme and more respected because out of "Misc.". What do you think?

Edited by the author 4 years ago

I believe having an Easy and a Normal tab is fair. Easy can be for single segments and Normal for segmented. Removing Hard is warranted in my opinion. Tracking RTA runs with IGT runs on the same leaderboard is a bit silly. I also believe that since Easy will be for single segments, it should be the "main" Knife category.

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United Kingdom

Have Easy Knife and time via RTA.

I'd actually run this because then the Bat isn't a ridiculous reset point. As far as the difficulties go, can just add them only after a completed run is done.

Edited by the author 4 years ago