I don't doubt that it took time to make this decision but it still seems like it was handled wrong. If there is no way to proof he cheated it just becomes their word over his word? That doesn't seem logical nor reasonable, he's already submitted a run that he claims is legitimate and it appears legitimate and was verified for almost a year. Now lies the burden of proof on the people claiming the run is cheated.The only reason I care at all about any of this is the thought that this basically destroys the reputation of the person in question, he is no longer trusted in the community because now he is thought to have cheated, but the evidence is never produced. Would you not be upset if the same thing happened to you?
Responding with hostility is really driving home the point here. Do you have anything to say against my argument or are you just here to ask why I care?
I didn't ignore that and mentioned in my very first post that it is the reason that you refuse to post any such evidence thus far. It appears you are ignoring my posts instead, other wise you would know I've already acknowledged it in more than just that post. Unless this is different evidence than two screenshots of him admitting to using and sending mod files then there is still literally no basis behind the removal of his times. Also if I only wanted to bring up drama I don't think I would've said that I'd love for this to be resolved to the point where I no longer have to defend this guy from claims of cheating with no apparent evidence, multiple times.
I still have yet to receive a good counter argument for most everything I've brought up, instead it's been responded to with hostility as you have shown again in your post trying to say I'm selfish and immature for just simply asking where is the proof behind this decision?
As I said to you, and several other people in the /r/speedrun thread, the decision was made because of the information in this post and the video. The behavior that was alluded to is not simply a clash of personalities or harsh words being exchanged, but rather behavior from PLANET that not only affected the run's being done by other people, but also corroborated the fact that PLANET cheated his runs as described in the post/video. However, due to the sensitive nature and severity of what was said, along with sensitive and personal information of several runners, we won't be discussing exactly what the behavior was. You may be thinking "well just tell me a little bit to at least prove it" but due to the nature of what occurred, there is no way to say at least "a little bit" without exposing a lot of private information about several people in the community. I hope you understand, but that is the decision that we made as a community after in-depth discussions.
Already went over the information in the post and the video, from an outside perspective it does not appear to be conclusive evidence of anything but being lucky. Without context it is also hard to believe the reasoning behind noting his behavior. There are many things to warrant a ban from a community but the leaderboard is for tracking times, the only thing that should be omitted from the leaderboard would ideally be runs that don't follow rules and guidelines for the category they are submitting to. I completely understand privacy and why someone wouldn't want something private known on the internet, but the removal of his times and his speedruns aren't private, and it's just more and more sounding like an issue you have with his behavior than his run being cheated.
If the only thing he is really guilty of here is bad behavior then say that, it'd be better than going in an endless circle of requesting evidence of cheating and then the only evidence that anyone has seemed to mention at all is evidence about his behavior in private chats, and the mention that he's modded his game files at one point in time, despite me saying many times that admitting to have once modded files in a game does not equate to using them in all runs of the game he has ever submitted. The further I go with this the more questionable it gets and the answers I'm receiving do not address the main points of the argument I'm making for Planet's case.
"Already went over the information in the post and the video, from an outside perspective it does not appear to be conclusive evidence of anything but being lucky. Without context it is also hard to believe the reasoning behind noting his behavior."
As I said before, we are certain that PLANET's runs were cheated based on the information detailed in this post and in the video, along with the behavior that I will not be going into. I understand that as an outsider, it may appear that there is missing information, but as I said earlier, I will not go into the full details due to sensitive nature of the conversations. However I can assure you that based on these conversations, PLANET's runs were very clearly cheated.
"There are many things to warrant a ban from a community but the leaderboard is for tracking times, the only thing that should be omitted from the leaderboard would ideally be runs that don't follow rules and guidelines for the category they are submitting to."
I agree with this statement and PLANET's runs were cheated by modifying his game files to have an unfair advantage over the other runners.
"I completely understand privacy and why someone wouldn't want something private known on the internet, but the removal of his times and his speedruns aren't private..."
Unfortunately, this is where we don't see eye to eye. We value the private information of our community members over a leaderboard for a hobby that we do in our free time. It's simply not worth potentially ruining some people's lives on the internet just to prove someone cheated a run.
"... and it's just more and more sounding like an issue you have with his behavior than his run being cheated."
As I have said several times, PLANET's behavior wasn't along the lines of calling people names or having a clashing personality. PLANET's behavior was in a manner that corroborated that fact that his runs were cheated, along with his behavior actually affecting other people's runs. It was not just that PLANET said unkind words to other runners. Again, for sake of privacy, I will not go into further detail.
"If the only thing he is really guilty of here is bad behavior then say that..."
As I've said a dozen times, this is not the case, but you appear to be dead set on making it appear to be.
"...it'd be better than going in an endless circle of requesting evidence of cheating..."
Yes, I agree that this is and endless cycle, and for that reason I will be locking this post.
"...and then the only evidence that anyone has seemed to mention at all is evidence about his behavior in private chats, and the mention that he's modded his game files at one point in time..."
There is more evidence than just PLANET's behavior, and you seem to be downsizing it. The fact that PLANET modified his game files almost the entirety of the post/video, but you continue to focus on the mention of behavior. Also, PLANET didn't say, "ah yeah, I removed the rat at one point in time", as I said before, PLANET admitted to having removed the rat in general (by this I mean he removed the rat from his game entirely, not that the fact he removed the rat in general makes him guilty).
"...despite me saying many times that admitting to have once modded files in a game does not equate to using them in all runs of the game he has ever submitted."
I appreciate your input but you do not know the full story of what occurred with PLANET. I know that is frustrating that we won't go into detail on what was said and what PLANET's behavior was, but it simply is a matter of privacy. We are sacrificing transparency on the issue because, as I said earlier, we don't want to ruin anyone's lives over a speedrun.
"The further I go with this the more questionable it gets and the answers I'm receiving do not address the main points of the argument I'm making for Planet's case."
I have fully addressed all your main points every time you make an argument for PLANET's case, but you seem to be clouding the information with confirmation bias. It seems that your initial impression on the situation was that PLANET was exiled from the community due to being disliked by others, even though that is nowhere near the truth. It seems that whatever I say, I won't be able to break through your confirmation bias of this initial impression.
The best I can offer you in terms of additional evidence that there is more going on than it seems is to look at our forum. There is a recent forum post from one of the sitewide moderators, Gyoo. As I mentioned in my comments on /r/ speedrun, admins of speedrun.com were involved in our discussions and agreed that the runs were cheated. But, again, due to the nature of the situation, I can't go into detail about what was discussed, but I hope you find solace in the fact that the sitewide moderators were involved in our decision.
Thank you.
