The story of crystal Lake
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5 years ago

Very good write up. Enjoyed reading it

Netherlands

Nice story. I will race again this summer. Just for fun. Not to get records I guess, it's too long ago..but you never know.

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Excited for your return. What course was your favorite?

Netherlands

Crystal Lake(surprise!). The record then was 1.02.50 (in N64-magazine. By a young kid from Christchurch of all places..?). It was +/- '99/'00. Racing 3.06, 2.86, 2.70 etc made 50 look too far away. Untill I got sub 60. Long story short...50 got easy, but had to break it...you know the feeling. 46 seemed too hard. Wasn't the case obviously. Once. Then the drive was gone. Now with all the fenomenal times it tickles. My goal will be Crystal Lake and Deadly Fall(the docu got me interested in that race). I tested if I got some feeling for the game left some months ago. It was gone. Totally. Didn't remember how to get goldman/penguinboard?. I don't expect anything. On the other hand..when I finally got a record back then in whatever course it at once became easy to get that time every time, so now I know what's possible I can see slower than the record, but faster than 46 as slow. Yes, that'll work. For sure. Don't know how I'll film it. I gues a smartphonecam pointed at the tv. Bigger tv than back then btw...fwiw. Later!

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After an hour or two of playing again. Itll all come back to you. Atleast in my experience, once you learn the spots in the course where the snow pulls you either left or right. It becomes easier to get the times lower.

How did you feel when you got the 46? Did you celebrate a lot? My brother and I tend to scream in joy whenever we get good times

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I think so too. Or hope is more precise. I was not 100% happy, because it was in matchrace. You start closer to the first turn and in time attack it would've been a 50 I thought. Nintendo said it doesn't make a difference when I asked it many years later, but I was and am not convinced. I will never do matchrace again when trying to break a record. For me only time attack counts to be on the safe side.

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little message to explain :

this is a Repost of the crystal lake Speedrun.com history i did for the community , i did also many modifications included an actualization of the history and a part of the multisegment work , hope you enjoy it!

Crystal lake history : the primary , the legend and the revolution. From scratch to everything , in 1080 , you have usually your favorite course , crystal peak for his zigzag route and his moguls , golden forest for his bridge , moutain village for his cave , dragon cave for his mountain skip and deadly fall for his famous alcove. But here , this is not like that , this course , is the most famous one on the game , the most popular , the most running , the most legendary. His history is big as fun , considered as one of the most easiest but also liked race , all 1080 players knows all of him. His music , his line , his shortcut… Today , me , Sonata , a tool assisted player of 1080 snowboarding , gonna present you the history of the first race on the game : crystal Lake. 1/ the Genesis. 1080 snowboarding born in 1998 on the Nintendo 64 , and , already , the plans for a speedrun game was on the point. After Quake revirments and the beginning of the highest era of running games. The oldest race submitted on the leaderboard was played on 2001 , his name ? Ron_Klijn , getting a 1min02sec46ms. Yeah , the first one was a perfect record on crystal lake , his race is amazing , getting all of the acnowledged strategy on the runs , he understood all , the jumps , the shortcut , perfectly :

And his record was standing first for…16 years right now ! anything could stopped ron about the world record. But , many of them trying to pull out his place. The first one was Mahrla , he’s the second person getting the famous 1min02 seconds. Also known as the best wave race 64 PAL player. He trying to pull out his best effort into the game , and reach another strategy to get him divided by another principe to take the shortcut on the middle of the race :

The second player : Sage327 , pulling out a 03sec on crystal lake and was the second to follow mahrla strategy:

But… that wasn’t enough , Ron races simingly to perfect, too difficult to beat him , or even tryna to do the same like him. And , 6 years after Mahrla records on crystal Lake , the game started to change , and many other players comes to her propers views on the game. Another speedrunner : brylarke , crushing out the point of Mahrla records and getting a 83ms on Crystal lake on June 2012 , he tries to follow the most difficult path on the game , and he was able to pass the shortcut removing the jump control :

The second one : ZG , one of the famous Ocarina of time speedrunner tries to shows his skills to determine another good record , he tied Mahrla and follows the same route as him :

And the last one : articfox pulling out the first .86 on the game , liking all of 1080 series and one of the best trick attack player , he gives his best on crystal lake and manage to pull of a good record on. But , all of this records wasn’t sufficient to manage at least a closing rank to The primary Ron , until 2013. 2/ the new ERA. In 2013 to 2015 , many brands new players came to the game and started to grinding to pull of the record of Ron Klijin. CMV , after few months grinding , tied the famous mahrla second best record on the leaderboard, he’s the fourth one taking the shortcut without jumping:

After CMV submission on the leaderboard , all of the concept of crystal lake change and they follow the ultimate goal to manage to put their record on the top of the board. And finally , the 1min.02sec and 83ms was beaten. The guy ? TheLuge , the famous world record on the novice mode and holding them even today in RTA timing. The concept and the improvment ? in the shortcut , he was the first to pass on directly without jumping and turning on , also , he manage to pull of a closed session on the sided bash left before finishing , and he got 1/02/70ms , beating mahrla famous 2nd best record by 13ms , a big improvment :

https://www.speedrun.com/1080snowboarding/run/pzgn4vjy

But , this second place just stayed in since 3 months. A new players , a new man tries to face of with Ron legendary records , he shows , by a video proof , the strategy to be very closed on the top of the course , he was the first to jump before taking the shortcut , the first to jump on the fallen path , and also , the first guy to be closed to the summit : BarraNZ by 1/02/50 :

Barra messed up the tied world record , another year addded to ron world record , he gets the top 10 at this time on the oldest world record standing. And after that , for 4 years , anyone could pretend to get the same time as ron. But we could notice many players trying another strategy. Bonus section : the Tahoe party : Two racers : Yu_ and green alex. The first one , yu ; japanese player ; playing with the second best board on the game , after that , he pull of the sub .80 :

And , a little surprise for me , because he was the best french player on the 1080 speedruns community but also the best Dion blaster player : green_Alex. He plays with the most known character , and , pull of a sub .03 on the game , following almost the perfect race and show to everyone that : even if you play a bad character : you can produce miracles !

3/ 2017 : the legend came on : Hayate. Basically a star fox 64 and yoshi’s story player, Hayate410 , aka hayate , was a former japanese player who gets many records on the 1080 series , mostly in avalanche who helded the WR in the hard, expert and extreme mode on it , he also hold the any% WR which means he’s the best player on the 1080 avalanche game. But , he also manage to pull of many other wortld record on 1080 snowboarding , before the last year , he has 7/10 WR on the game , mostly the 6 races on level leaderboard. But the most significant was on crystal l ake. On the 13march2017 , hayate was officially the first person tied ron_klijn world record on crystal lake , his record has 16 years difference than the oldest one : yeah , hayate got the famous .46 on the race. Trying to keep up on the novice mode and the advantegeous frame at the beginning , his skill was shown for the plebs and a perfect play was demonstrated in front of us. And , even today , we considered this record as the most wonderful one. After this day , the legend came on. So , after that , anyone could predict what will happen on the future , a tribute to the legend was obiviously normal to do , but , the game himself doesn’t accept his limit , how ? 2 brand new players , came on , and provocate a revolution of 1080 snowboarding level. 4/ Lommasloman : the king . Speak about the second one : LommasLoman , at the beginning of his speedrunning , he was only after Deadly fall world record with his brother Phalaer. But he also , in second plan , trying to pull of Crystal lake route. He started to grind and he got easily 1/02/66 for his first record , placed 5th on the leaderboard. But he wasn’t satisfied and he push fowarded to the game , after 1 month , he got the famous .50 and tied barraNZ and after that , he was convinced to get the world record on crystal lake. He finally came to a presurre and find the way to tied the famous players getting 46 on it. But… He got a fast progression after grinding a lot. Saving one frame to the end, Lomasloman was the second one beating ron klijn 17 years old world record and getting a .43 thanks to his consistency and a very low margin mistakes , but , that also wasn’t enough. 18july2018 , Lommasloman was the second one getting the miraculous .40 on Crystal lake , tied the WR in this occasion , and he ‘s today considered as the second best player on the game :

5/ MrP86 : the ace. As known as a Melee speedrunner , MrP86 see an opportunity to play on 1080 snowboarding again after december 2016 replaying on it. But , after started it , he was rarely beaten. He gets one year ago a .63 on crystal lake , his first record on it include a top 4 on the leaderboard , and , when i saw that at this time , i knew that’s gonna be , for sure , a WR destroyer. One month after his record , in few grinds , he was able to tied ron klign famous .46 on crystal lake. Yeah , no joke , he tied in one month a 18 years old record. What happens after that was easily anticipated. but , few times later , 10april2018 , an earthquake appeared on the leaderboard. The ron_klijn record , holded for 17 years , the first one , was beaten by him w/ the first 1/02/43.

But , Lommasloman , with all of his skill , manage to tied him again , and MrP86 wasn’t done. In July , he got the first .40 on the game , a less consistency , more risky and perfect shortcut pass was the key to his times.

So after that , we could say « ok , this is the end , this is the limit of 1080 ». if he was here , he probably said « no » , but , he prefers to show us the true sense of what the quintessence of 1080 player could be : he got 1/02/37 on crystal lake in 1august2018.

He could beat the famous record on ron klijn and w/ a few grind session , he was able in 4 month to show us the ultimate 1080 player. but , an event happen , between august and september , he goes for the 33 on crystal lake notably after seeing this possibility on the TAP project. but , by a beautiful run , one of thousand in life , he was managed to pull of a 1/02/30. but his capture card video badly failed and not recorded it.

he decided to continue playing even after what happens , and get dissapointedely a 1/02/33.

after that , he still continue to play on and hoping to reach out the 30 , but a new strategy , the sonata bonk , finally give him the 1/02/30 much easier.

Getting few weeks after that the 1:02.27 with the improvement of the bonk strat :

6/Mattador : the Joker.

Mattador is a runner of 1080 Snowboarding and a pokemon snap player beginning to work on Crystal lake , crystal Peak , and deadly fall , he is known notably to get some top 3 quicly on the game and actually tied Bert86 1/02/30 crystal lake and 1/06/89 Deadly fall World Record :

7/ to conclude. Today , the record of MrP86 still ahead with mattador, it probably required a unique sense of the game , lommasloman is on the hit to play on crystal lake again. Maybe this could be him , maybe bert will get the 1/02/27. Maybe phalaer will give it a shot , maybe hayate or ron will came back…or maybe , an unknown player will show to everyone what is the perfect time :D .

8/Bonus story : Sonata, the rookie player. My story is a bit short but i would like to give you my experience on this race. I started in july to grind crystal lake races after ecounter LommasLoman and MrP86 on the discord 1080 servers. I got in the middle of the month my first 1/02/79 and i was happy w/ this score. In september , i started twitch streaming and the two best player came on it and give me some advice , i grinding a lot and i finally save 6ms on my race , which means 1/02/73. I was basically a full game player and not consistent , but one of my dream was to tied the famous .46 , even if he was beaten by the two players. So for 1 month , i started to grind one day per week and i got , thanks to the jump on the shortcut , a new record on crystal lake. 1/02/70. I was happy about it , because i knew after that i could approach my goal , and i got in 2 sessions a .66 and a .56. Because of my lack experience , i was about to give up this race , mostly because i run on the wii u version , but also because i see more difficulty appears on it. So i relaunch a relax stream to speak with the other players about this , and i got fastly a .66. at this time , MrP86 advice me to save the ghost probably to restart at a weak point and get the .50. that wasn’t bother me , so i said why not. And it finally happens. In the second try , i remeber it all. I pass on the shortcut and the ghost was far away behind me , in the snow route , i take the risky to push my stick to the left and i did that perfectly. I was concentrated and when i pass the finish line. I see my record. 1/02/46. I immediatly popoff. I popoff because one of my dream was realised , i screaming « YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS ! » that because this record was true ! So , for the moment , i didn’t beat that , but i don’t care honestly , a 4th place on the leaderboard isn’t the problem , the best to retain that , is , for the first time , i rejoin the elite. After that , i got a 1/02/43 in time attack 3 months later , beating the old Ron Klijn time which stay 18 years the best time on the run. (And the 1/02/33 after testing match race but badly not recorded it). After quitting the community and goes studying , i came back with another idea after retouching the game i stopped playing until 3 months : Tool assisted player (TAP) (or Human TAS if you prefer).

8.1/ the TAP work. I began this project in july 16th 2019 , at this time , the world record for crystal lake was 1/02/37 by bert and mattador. After finished my first race at this form (mountain village 1/28/40) , i decided to go for crystal lake notably to verify if something could be improved. Notably aimed for a 1/02/33 , which was considered as the best possible time at this moment. I started to play and got a 1/02/40 for a blind run , and my first 37 after that. At this moment , we knew playing match race is faster by a frame , so we can estimate with that at least all of my work in crystal lake could be improved by a frame , but technically perfect on time attack. i started the race , and saving half a frame to the turner before the bender , and another half frame to the cliff jump , i continued the race and push foward to keep my advance safe. And in 2 hours , i finally managed to pull off the 1/02/33. That was wonderful in part ! , even if its not a legit time , i discovered the fact of crystal lake can be improved to another time , and i was convinced this time is the best to reach out. After finishing the other TAP , i goes back to crystal lake to see if something could be improved , the shortcut and the end of it was for me a clue , it took me 5h to reach it , and i managed to pull of the 1/02/30. But that wasn’t enough , at least for me. Few years ago , some players talked about the fact of 1/02/27 could be the best crystal lake possible time but the skill to pull it would be completely crazy to get. I go back to my game , and started to go of this, i saved half a frame on the first jump cancel , but that wasn’t enough to pull of the 27. So i tried to be clutch to the right before the cliff , and saved a fraction of frame instead of perform the loman carve. The clue was finally to the shortcut. Basically , to pass it , you have to release Z for an instant and repush it before landing to the platform , and goes for the little path to enter on the shortcut. But i decided to try out to NOT release Z here , and at this time , i was a full frame ahead. I passed out the shortcut , going sharp left , clutched the two rocks and the left sponsor bar , and finished the run.

1/02/27.

At this time, i was thinking about the fact of crystal Lake is definitively over and cannot be improved by any frames or path , the run i did at this moment seemed really perfect without any bad or useless mouvement. And the community started to aim an improvement of legit time or maybe tied my time. But Something big happen after that. 8.2/ the Sonata Bonk (or wallride). I go back to crystal Peak after improved golden forest, my best time was 1/26/03 at this moment and i hoped to improve it by a frame notably to get the first 25 on it. When i reached the end of crystal peak , i was only half a frame faster than my ghost and tie dit many times. I was so deseperated than i decided to tried to get bonked by the wall left to the race , notably at the finish line. After 3 tries , i managed to save 1 frame and get the 1/25/99. So after that , i know i can use this strategy also for crystal lake , because they had almost the same finish path. So i came back to crystal lake and tried to get the same bonk for it… And i got it, 1/02/23 , probably one of the biggest discoveries i did on my TAP project. But , 1 month later , i discovered the fact of this bonk save not 1 frame , BUT 2 !! Gotten 1/25/93 on crystal peak , i go back once again in crystal lake , and in less than 1h , after all of this work on this race , all of the time i pulled on it , i managed to pull of something than no one could predicted few month ago : 1/02/20.

crystal lake history : by Sonata.

Edited by the author 3 years ago
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idk much about this , i will now go for another race history than i think its could be good to work , and came back to mountain village 58 , thanks for the information!