Someone needs to come up with a solid definition of 'wrong warp' in this game, or better yet, a solid definition and name. My eyes point to Nick.

Once that is settled, we can start thinking of an 'any% no WW' category, which would be better than an 'any% old route' category because that would be dumb for various reasons: Example:'any% prebastant route' literally does not allow people to go behind the hospital on mall shootout because people didn't do that back then, which would be super arbitrary.

@Gael: On top of that, Just get the one where you unlock KYFC marker but not instastart the mission. Just park your police car inside the asset purchase icon before buying it. Voila, any% no warps and it probably only is a minute slower :D

Any% No Warps due to skipping StB - never looked at it this way, great! :D

However, buying properties and saving warp you, no matter where you stand.

The new run is the Any% and will always be the Any% run.

The issue is this; "what do we call the old Any% run now" and I honestly can't think of a name for it. Any% no entering shop%? Any% no that 1 skip that breaks the game? Any% no super super super major glitches? Yeah...... Goodluck with naming this :D

I know I don't run the game but I feel that you should just add in a variable into the leaderboards for whether or not you did the KYFC warp. If that doesn't work just make an Any% No KYFC. just my thoughts.

That's even worse than any of the other naming discussions there ever was. You literally do KYFC no matter what category you run. You can't call it Any% No KYFC.

Ok how about FMW (Final Mission Warp)

Should ne handled the same way like 7 assest. Give the KYFC warp some time to see if there are people who activly run it. In case its not and just appears to be a gimmick there should be changes made like in the gta 5 leaderboard where any% is a part of it, but not the main category.

For the name shouldn´t something like "no mission warp" work, since as far as i know all other warps are based around changing the location, but not the missions/storyline like this skip does.

@S.: you still warp to the safehouse you buy and every runs since K9 does the "The Fastest Boat" boat warp

"Any% No Arbitrary Code Execution"? However, you can argue that instapassing is arbitrary code execution as well

Technically husho's definition is the only one that whould define what any% has been among what was suggested. Also instapassing is arbitrary code execution and difference is just in what "arbitrary code" we execute. Even with forbidding returns on empty stack there is a chance something similar exists and can be exploited by usual instapasses if we manage to hit "jump somewhere" opcode.

once a game becomes super optimised, people WILL have little to no fun with running it if the objective of the run itself isn't fun to them - beating the game as quickly as possible only appeals to a certain number of people if the gameplay itself isn't the draw, and I can agree that the current gameplay, a lot of people will not like.

in other leaderboards, once a game becomes super optimised, there's less of a 'stigma' about adding arbitrary categories that set challenges for people who enjoy the games that have fun gameplay (see: the recent redefinition of catch 'em all in pokemon r/b, RBA in pkmn r/b, OoT's MST, no im/ww, glitchless...). As long as people decide something has fun gameplay (by 'voting' with actually running the categories), I'm fine with seeing them on a leaderboard. I mean heck, we still have ingame NG+ 100% on the leaderboards because gael went full babyrage, why can't we have some other categories?

It just happens that in this case, Low% = Any%, as is the case with most GTAs

A

If the moderators separated 100% classic and 100% in-game ng+. They must also separate Any% kyfc warp and any% old.

i remember thinking "man if we could only get rid of cone crazy vice city would be the best speedgame!!" and its been downhill ever since...... im voting A.

First things first: I do not run this game, I only followed the discussion and want to contribute towards it. As with every game, I believe that the name "any%" should always be used for the fastest category, no matter how broken and/or silly it is. Anything else can follow the "any% no X" naming convention.

As far as I understand, you guys are trying to come up with a restriction that makes it possible to run the route of MH's 53:01 again, but this doesn't seem to be possible without having super arbitrary rules. Now I'm asking you: Does that specific route really need to be preserved in any way? What about all the other routes before it, why should they not be preserved as well? I hate saying it, but the 53:01 route is nothing more than one of many parts of the evolution of Vice City any%, no matter how popular it might was. This happens to a lot of games, where a very popular category gets obsoleted by a trick that makes it less fun. Sometimes, we get lucky and are able to find a simple restriction that allows us to run the old category without it becoming too arbitrary, sometimes not. Vice City seems to be one of the unlucky games.

For that reason, my vote is B. Don't split any% based on this new application of a glitch that is being used for years. Instead, don't be afraid to make a version of any% with one big restriction, even if it means that the run would go back to the length of the SDA era.

Being free to execute code from any offset you want is not old, though.

Any% will always be any% but I wouldn't mind a new no duping/omf fuckery category, especially if people would run it, wink wink.

That is the issue. It's always all talk and no action.

I see people have been doing races though. A step in the right direction.

I don't think you can go back to the old route. Maybe an "any% glitchless" category would be the best option since I think it is arbitrary to allow some glitches and not others. The question becomes are people prepared to start fresh with a new category?

It seems like interest in having an "old any%" as a category as died out, even the races that were happening quickly died out and people have moved onto all missions or just stopped running the game. I counted every ones votes just for the sake of it.

A: 11

B: 35

Don't think of this as the end result, I'm just pointing out that any% seem really dead now (new and old route). I'd be more than happy to see people running the JP route (MH's 53:01 for reference), post-Bastant route (Fil's 57:48 for reference) and pre-Bastant route (Ractrot's 1:26:25 for reference).