All [Story] Missions
6 years ago
England

If people are looking at a category which helps them practice 100% but isn't 100% length then I did think of one. I'd call it all assets. Basically finish the game while owning all the buildings which earn you revenue. twitchbuxs hype!

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United States

@Tirean that is a decent idea. Even though the category we're trying to define now is supposed to be less "arbitrary", it ends up feeling even more arbitrary because the races, BMX and NRG challenges don't feel even tangentially related to the meat of the game. People will ask "why these challenges?" and I don't even have an answer.

With Tir's category, "All Assets is finishing the storyline, as well as owning all buildings that generate revenue" is easier to explain and compartmentalize. All Assets would allow duping and instapasses, and requirement of the following assets:

Johnson House (temporarily with "Doberman", permanently after "Home Coming") Roboi's Food Mart (LS Courier) Hippy Shopper (SF Courier) Redsands Burger Shot (LV Courier) RS Haul (8 Trucking missions) Vank Hoff Hotel (Valet Parking) Zero RC (Complete ZERO chain) Wang Cars (Complete STEAL chain) Verdant Meadows Airport (Complete TORENO chain) Quarry (7 Quarry missions)

The only thing that I'm kinda sad about with this category is that there's no asset acquired after completing the HEIST chain, so you would totally bypass those missions. "All Assets + Heist Missions" for the meme leaderboards pls OneHand

Edited by the author 6 years ago
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Germany

That's true, even though "because it executes opcode 0318" is a technicially unambiguous definition, it's not as easy to understand from the standpoint of just playing the game. I don't think a lot of people place too much attention on whether a mission changes the savegame name.

I like the All Assets idea, if only the Heist was an Asset as well. How about "True any%+" as a category, we can just put in it whatever we want. Kappa b

England

We can call it "What everyone THOUGHT you had to do to finish the game%"

Russia

@tduva we will also would need "True 100%+" category as well.

Massachusetts, USA

Had a thought on (current) ASM rule wording, sort of a different way to phrase what @Tirean had on the first page: how accurate would "every mission with a global minimap icon" be? As in, appearing on the edges of the minimap regardless of where you are.

All Assets could be cool but doesn't seem like a replacement for this. Possibly misc category if it happened to catch on.

EDIT: I just realized that I think that definition has been mentioned before somewhere but I don't remember where. Probably something wrong with it if it's not in use now.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Florida, USA

@Mhmd_FVC

Looking over both GTA 3 and VC All Missions ( mind me though as I am that not familiar with both of those runs ) and looking that SA to have an All Missions as well that'll fit the whole 3D Trilogy. I look at the BMX and NRG challenge and think those should be in this Category you're absolutely right and of course still having the added on mission such as Zero, Caesar missions in SF, Casino heist ect. also the races in SF, LV, RTLS this would make it a real All Missions as just adding BMX and NRG isn't enough of a change.

However there is one in-differ that I share. With GTA 3 and VC there is Instantpasses to of course speed up the game and I don't recall you saying anything thing against that. The only thing I've seen is the GT Skip as you still want it ban.

While yes it holds a principle as a " dupe " however unlike any other dupe you have to do " Los Desperado " mission x2 to skip over the Gang Territories and also kills Big Smoke or better known as EOTL1. I happen to see GT Skip as a Instantpass rather than a " dupe " so that's the only thing I would change in the offer you've given. To add to that! EOTL1 is more of a " checkpoint " than a " mission " within it self as if you died on any other mission you'll have to reset the whole mission not the case on the mission " End Of The Line " that has 3 check points within one whole mission.

Given we are adding all the races and 2 challenges I think allowing GT Skip is only fair. If we wasn't adding those than GT Skip being ban would be fair.

I also looked into the schools, ammunation challenge, Chillad challenge, Trucking and Quarry non of these change the save file name ( yes everyone point and laugh at me ) I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't skipping over any " missions ".

Also what Tirean and KZ_FREW put out there isn't a bad idea as well an All Assets run will be a good run up to 100% and would really make this Leaderboard full of every kind of run SA really has to offer. Any%, No Major Glitches, All Missions, All Assets and 100% and of course what is already on the misc. will stay.

I've always held a opinion that every speedrun game should have a full board of every kind of full run there is in the game. As long as it's not so stretch where just one little change means a new list. However I can understand the hesitation of just up and adding All Assetes as hardly anyone has brought it up before until now but more I think about it more I hope to see it on the boards one day.

Both of those runs would mean new interest and routing brought to this board as NMG has already has a good Number of runners to think about running the category and adding two more would really freshen up this whole board.

Please correct me if i'm wrong on anything I've said and I don't mind hearing a other stand point the the matter of GT Skip or anything else I've mention. Other than that one thing I'm in favor of your suggestion for the All Missions category.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Massachusetts, USA

I agree with you on GT skip. If this category is to be changed, then that ban can be done away with. (with runners' discretion)

Also, I quickly did realize that my initial proposal wasn't the best. I just wanted to get the conversation started. At this point it seems most sensible, taking into account some of the posts here, to modify current ASM by name and wording of rules without junking the current runs, and then hold the thought of All Assets for later depending on whether people would like to run it competitively or not. I can see its merit to exist at all, but it might not be wise to spread the categories out too thinly unnecessarily.

Italy

"Any% Dupeless" sounds better than "No major Glitches", no major glitches what? any%? 100%? All Missions? and what's the definition of a major glitch? There are a lot of small glitches that saves quite a bit of time.

Florida, USA

@Mhmd_FVC

Just so I understand. The offer is all the missions that are on the run right now but adding in all the races and BMX and NRG challenges and allowing GT Skip?

Florida, USA

@dha

Anything that can change the mission flag such as dupeing anything where you can pass a mission without doing the whole mission such as Instantpasses and no 0* glitch. Those are the major glitches that are up front ban from that category. Small glitches that can save time in a mission/run are allowed. Anything that'll stop the game from working as attended is ban.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Massachusetts, USA
  • No functional change to this except removing GT skip ban

  • New category can be considered for inclusion of additional "100%" elements such as All Assets.

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