It seems there is some kind of glitch that causes the final boss to take almost no damage from anything. My last run I lost 6:30 on the Machival fight alone because it took 400+ inferno scrolls to kill him. Restarting the game seems to prevent it, which is why I usually do that before that fight, but I thought I had restarted recently enough to avoid it this time. I guess it's just worth noting that the game runs poorly if it is not restarted often.
Yeah I think it is best to restart the game in a few places throughout the game, and definitely before Machival. I have been busy this week, but I'll be verifying your run today.
Could you please resubmit your run? I tried to verify and then it gave me an error and said there was no runs to be verified -_-.
The run was very good with lots of little time saves here and there that I'll need to incorporate. But you're right that we won't get a time much better than that until we find something quite significant.
I deleted that submission because I was recording a run that ended up being a 2:31:50, but OBS apparently stopped recording halfway through, so I want to get another run like that before I submit again. Ideally I want to get something under 2:30, but I would have to get a lot of really good luck for that considering my sum of best is 2:27:28. I'm hoping to at least get a low 2:3x:xx on video later today.
Submitted a new run 2:32:28, was on pace to be sub 2:30 but again Machival wasted minutes right at the end. Other than that, there is a more consistent Galienne strat that I talk about at that part of the run and it is really easy to do so it's a pretty free time save.
At this point, I'm not even sure where to look for new strats, or what to look for. It would be nice to find a way to have "solo" running speed inside of cities/towns, but that would only get a minute or two.
There is a trick when you hold Shift and ~ the game will teleport you to any location that you click on, but I think that would be considered a cheat. It's also very disorienting, but does let you clip through anything as long as you can see walkable ground to teleport to.
wow thats a great time :D I will have a watch today.
As far as the teleport thing goes, I'm pretty sure it was a developer tool that was left in the game by mistake, and I was planning to make it a separate category if this got popular. For now I just ignore it. Using this trick can save a HUGE amount of time on the run. I'm also going to be making some attempts over the next week to catch up and learn some of the little things that have improved your runs.
Your run was pretty awesome, and it surprises me that you can remember lots of tiny details even though the run is so long :D. I tried to do a run and was well ahead of time, but i screwed up in Liangshan and didn't continue. I'll try again tomorrow. I've figured out some small improvements, and I can answer a few of your problems you mentioned in your run:
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It's possible to ignore the fight just before Murod, however the door to the palace is not open, so you need to do the summon trick. This would only save a few seconds at best.
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The bacites (monsters) have a kind of flanking AI, and will get a speed boost when they can flank you. The way to avoid it is if you see them start to get too close from the side, just turn a bit and run in front and they will instantly slow down. You can see me doing that in ikaemos swamp.
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I would also like to find a 'solo-mode-speed' in town as well, but i don't think its possible. The best solution for move speed is to use Flece as often as possible and figure out the right camera angle to get maximum speed. I've started using Flece more often throughout the game just for the extra speed.
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The most significant time-save i have come up with recently is a quicksave/quickload to skip certain dialogue. If there are any NPCs that force dialogue (i.e. as you approach them you go out of combat mode and are forced into the dialogue) you can do this. You can do this right at the start before the first boss in Masad, on the bridge. The next place is when you go back to the palace after getting the ring of light, to skip the dialogue with Yago - which saves a decent amount of time. The next decent save is after the caverns of wolong - the first NPC you meet does this. It's also possible to do this with the NPC in Liangshan, but it's even easier just to detour around a few rocks before him and skip the interaction completely.
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Your Galienne strat definitely works, although it's still really messy. There is a potion that increases physical damage I'm pretty sure, so we could try that as well. That fight is not really a big deal, but it can be a pain in the ass with bad RNG.
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You complained about your Machival fight, but really it wasn't that bad, I'm pretty sure you must've got lucky in the previous run. A good time for the whole fight is about 4:30, and anything less than 4 minutes is just some crazy luck. I have a pretty solid strat for killing him now, which is pretty consistent at getting 4:30, and is only better when he doesn't fly away for some reason:
a. Don't bother to heal right away just use Jekhar (he does the most damage with inferno) b. Run up to Mach and pause and cast 20x inferno - this is the max that you can do before he decides whether or not to fly away. You should get 200-300 dmg. c. Wait for the inferno graphics to disappear. d. If Mach flies, follow him with Jekhar, if not, repeat b. e. repeat b, and if he flies back, switch to joseph and heal him. repeat b - e You should only need to cast the 20x inferno 3 times. In his second and third forms do the same but 30x inferno. You seem to get more damage through when you pause it and queue up the infernos.
Most of my Machival fight wasn't bad, but I've never had his first phase fly away 4 times in a single fight before. Otherwise the run went really well with only a few small mistakes. At this point I think getting a sub 2:30 is mostly RNG dependent, which is really annoying because I can't imagine grinding a run this long for good RNG.
I would really like to get a sub 2:30 time at some point, just a matter of actually having the patience for it.
Yeah that is a pain in the ass -_-.
I just attempted a run, and got the weirdest bug ever. I was up to saving Joseph from the tower, and i got stuck in the room which has the tomb key... Something invisible was blocking the door. My last save was before the spoiler fight -_-. I was 6 minutes ahead by that point (1:09:00). Gotta make a quicksave there next time in case it happens again. I think it could have been a corpse blocking the doorway, because I had to kill the guards there.
I've got a new route for the first sewers that saves some time, so I'll post that video soon.
I’m curious if anyone has ever tried the PS2 version for the speedrun? Any exclusive bugs, glitches, advantages?
Without any major new discovery PS2 would be significantly slower due to loading (PS2 loads are really, really long), not being able to move at solo speed in towns and not being able to do some skips. The only thing I can remember unique on PS2 is spell animation cancelling being instant which is irrelevant due to item spam anyway.
There was a guy streaming some 100% runs on twitch. However he gave up because of crashes on load screens :/
Ok, so I'm sure everyone is aware of it, but my question is it ethical to use the "Teleport Cheat"?
--SHIFT + ~-- and clicking on any walkable terrain in range will teleport the current character to the location
It's very fast and convenient for a newb like me who is still wandering in circles trying to get thru for the first time casually , but should it be implemented into, at the very least, Any% runs?
I wanted to make a separate category for any% /w teleport cheat. Can finish the game in about 30 mins by using it.
It's been a long time, but I'm starting to look into running this game again. Has anything new been found in the last few years that isn't in the current record?
