@TKM [quote=darkviper88]I meant you have never run the game nor taken an active interest in its moderation. Why are you here?[/quote] If this is valid for Ryedawg's "cronies" it should be valid for everyone.
What do you mean, why am I still here? I have been around #gta for about 3 years now, and I have an invested interest in what happens within the community.
Is that ok with you? Do I need your permission to participate in the discussion?
To put it bluntly, it's too little too late. In the #gta discord it was brought up long ago that times were not accurate and instead of the mods taking a second look at the times and fixing them (like they should have done), you got defensive about whether or not accuracy actually mattered. As a member of the #gta community, I care a great deal that the leaderboards, which represent us more than any one person, are in fact accurate. The person that should moderate is the person that is willing to see that through without holding some subjective idea about which runs "matter" and which ones do not.
Here is my two cents. (as a 1 month trevor% vet)
The fact that you guys let ryedawg into being head mod, without contacting the previous mods just straight up doesn't make sense. It's very very clear by this thread that there were old mods that cared. (specifically DarkViper) Running the game for multiple years, and still doing it almost everyday is insane. Now our new headmod hasn't run the game in years? That is crazy IMO.
There is clear things that ryedawg has made bad choices for. The starting bonus DLC opinions come to mind. Again, I'm pretty new to running V, but hearing about ryedawgs past, makes him 100% unsuitable for being the head mod. Once a shitposter, always a shitposter.
My next point is about Toriks. Toriks has clearly shown and not shown interest in being a mod. I think he is at a point where if he is a mod, he will do the work for it. But if he isn't a mod, its fine by him. He doesn't care about it, but he'll help out the community. That's the kind of guy Toriks is. Ryedawg apparently sees this, and got gullible Toriks to back this movement. Toriks was an easy "partner" for ryedawg, and ryedawg knew this. What it looks like to me is that ryedawg just wants power, and respect in a community that he never had that in, but now he found the opportunity.
So here is my solution. Give ryedawg a shot at moderation. Give Darkviper head (if he wants it after all this) because he has the EXPEREINCE and leadership already proven. Toriks can be on the team if he would like to. The huge issue is the lack of communication to the former mods. Honestly, going back to this all looks like a power struggle for ryedawg.
Thank you Sunnyy for suggesting a solution.
Looking back at what has been said in the last 24 hours, I must admit that things have been rushed too much, and this is probably my mistake.
Now, considering this thread, if DV and Ryedawg have to both be mods, there shouldn't be a hierarchy between these two. If DV gets supermod, the first thing he'll do is remove Ryedawg from the mods.
If I get rid of the "political landscape" of the community (because clearly this has turned more into politics than speedrunning), I still believe Ryedawg has his place.
Now I just feel like ive been attacked by the head mod. Wow you just made some huge assumptions. Lets break this down.
Know that if you had a problem with the times, bring it up to a moderator. If that moderator didn't help, go to another one. Bug them until something changes, instead of just sitting back and waiting to strike on destroying the mod team. Nobody complained about the times, and if people did (multiple people calling out the mistakes) it would of gotten changed under the old moderation. You seemed the only one that I can see that was upset by it, so why not make more noise about it?
The next thing I would love to address is this quote. "instead of white knighting your favorite streamer why not come up with arguments that are not just ryedawg sucks i want daddy to be mod" I feel like this is harassment. There is so much wrong here. First I am a Toriks watcher, I am subbed to only Toriks (not matt, not DV) so saying that I'm white knighting my favorite streamer is completely wrong. Heck I have less then 20 hours in his stream, with over 60 in Toriks. I love how instant defensive you got though. I am not here to give DV what he wants, I am here to try to help the V speedrunning community. The fact that the headmod would treat someone's first post with such hate and aggressiveness blows me away. I have been one of the only people in this thread to offer a solution, and yet your making assumptions about me, without even seeing me before. Sad, just sad. You are not helping your case ryedawg.
JOEdrinksBEER "second look at the times and fixing them" as was noted early on, they were fixed. Immediately. It was even shown in imgur. You continue to make assertions that are directly false, simply by reading this forum. I asked you why you were here because literally nothing about this outcome will influence you. You do not see the GTA V runners attempting to determine which mods control the boards of the other GTAs. What do you feel gives you a say here? When nothing here will impact you and you honestly seem to know little of what is going on. This should have been, from the start, resolved amongst those who run the game. We didn't invite the Ocarina of Time runners for a reason, we didn't invite the Ori runners for a reason, yet we have the cast and crew of a dozen games here...for what purpose? Do they bring wisdom beyond their years? Something we are lacking? No, just more noise.
Anti They are a combination of active runners and active GTA V viewers. A category that neither you, Joe or Ryedawg actually fit into. They, surprisingly, actually have more right to be here than any of you.
Gyoo You may have noted that of all the runners here, I was most excluded as an option for Ryedawg. Largely because, as I have noted previously, this is about his vindictive streak as opposed to actually wanting positive outcomes. Your judgement of his worth or place here appears to be based on a small snap shot of who he is, in this present moment, without a consideration of his history. I do not agree this is sufficient to judge the worth of a man.
It has only turned into politics (to some extent) because you have chosen the most divisive person who has ever existed in any GTA community to lead a board he has done nothing to support for two years. This change was also achieved by what can only be described as a stealth takeover. How was this not going to cause the outcry Ryedawg desired? Of the 7 billion people on this planet, I can honestly say there would have been less outcry with any other selection. This is why Ryedawg went to you in secret, he knew this. He is enjoying this as he always does when he causes trouble.
As I said before, the best solution is that neither I nor Ryedawg are mods and other runners are made mod. This would allow for at least some measure of justice to prevail and the boards would be accurate as Ryedawg pretends to want.
All I want to know is, why Ryedawg Gyoo? Of all the 7 billion people in this world, after all that you have heard, why do you want Ryedawg? What has he shown you in two days that makes you feel he is an indispensable commodity and that can allow you to ignore literally every reason why he shouldn't mod these boards?
Ryedawg keeps arguing I have made errors in runs. Show me one? He keeps saying the boards were messed up. Show me the runners complaints? "white knighting your favourite streamer" and the true Ryedawg appears! Took a day. I was not a supermod. I do not rock the boat. I was given mod to do one thing, check runs that I saw were not verified and give my opinion on rules changes. I have done both. If given supermod, I could actually have more leeway. The last time I changed something, Ryedawg cried to days dispite not running the game. Ryedawg has one advantage as a supermod, he doesn't have to deal with Ryedawg barraging anyone he disagrees with.
[quote=darkviper88]What do you feel gives you a say here?[/quote]
So did you read my last post or nahh
"Everyone one of the times zoton mentions....." The example I gave was from a private conversation. Whoops Rye?
"If you could tell me things i have done wrong as a moderator" You removed all mods without a single word to anyone. You took it upon yourself to make radical changes without consultation, something you have noted is not something mods should do.
"as long as the place they have on the board" No. I both said that I believed any error found should be corrected, as they were before your hostile takeover, and that hunting for small errors that did nothing to change rankings wasn't practical. You literally listed errors where you took differences of +0.5 and rounded them up to 1 as an error, I will honestly say these do not matter. They didn't matter to you for two god dam years...but suddenly...when power can be taken, you care.
Aslong as the leaderboards are kept tidy and precise i don't care who moderates.
"As long as the leaderboards are kept tidy and precise i don't care who moderates" If Ryedawg agreed with this statement he would step down as mod and avoid trouble, unless he honestly believes he is the only person living you can moderate a board. I certainly do not agree with it. People who lie and cheat their way into power should not be tolerated. If a person stuffs a ballet box and does a good first day, they should still be removed. This is about principle as well as practical outcome. Ryedawg can't be trusted, this situation proves that.
If it was all about accuracy, he would step down and vote for those he believes would achieve the accuracy he desires. It is not about that though.
But what makes ryedawg "right" for the head role? His experience running a community? How he acts in the community? Or What he has done positive in this community? Again, pretty new here, so what makes Ryedawg qualified for the position? Other then "oh I changed things its better now" because the small changes are not enough for me.
Let us analyse this for a moment. "I do believe i am the only one who can keep the boards tidy" No one said they were untidy bar you and your cronies.
"previous mods have not been able to keep the boards neat and tidy" My duties were to verify runs that I saw unverified and to weigh in on rule changes. I was not a supermod, I did both of these duties and you have presented no evidence I did not do this.
"i can GUARANTEE that no previous mod would of went this far..." Ryedawg. You literally stalked a streamer who told you to leave them alone. You stalked them and happened to see an error in a run. You do not watch every run, that would be impossible. You can not claim you will stalk us all to watch all our runs, that would require on some days literally 16 hours of watching GTA V! I have watched more runs than anyone here. I caught Toriks using the 500k, did I not Rye?
You also did not prove I only verified my runs. You didn't realise that obsolete runs don't show up. I have rejected, and verified, many runs including many from the individual levels. Who rejected kdz mafia 2 run? I even wrote a funny comment...oops Rye...oops. Again, I only verified those runs that were available when I checked. This was what I was MODDED TO DO. Nothing more. Now that I could have more responsibility, I am willing take it. I was not offered it because you stole it for yourself without discussing it with anyone. You have constantly claimed things I did not do and laid at my feet imagined errors to justify your irrationality. This is not mod behaviour. I will say here and now I will not take additional power, or remove it from others, without discussion. This is not something Ryedawg can claim and thus he is not fit to mod.
Being a mod is MORE than checking times Ryedawg. It is, in part, keeping this leaderboard growing and with active runners. You have not done this, ever. You in fact left the board to die for two years.
Ryedawg "how is it not un fathomable to believe that i would watch 16 hours of GTAV a day" Different time zones. Two years of inactivity. A complete inability to show patience. Signs of mental instability. The idea that you could watch literally 16 hours of GTA V everyday for the rest of your life, including for runners you don't even know exist...is literally impossible.
"This just still confirms the fact that you just hit verified with out watching any of the runs" Show me one I verified without watching. Demonstrate this claim? Verification does not imply pressing a button Ryedawg. You lie over and over...
"well trusted members..." By who! Who declared their opinion matters above even that of those who run the game? Who gave you the authority to dictate how things should be while hypocritically changing everything without discussion?
"Did you fix the problem no you instead would rather spend 2 days writing on a fourm complaining that you lost mod" Ryedawg...as I have not been mod for two days I literally could not fix any problem. It would be literally impossible.
As has been shown to you Ryedawg, this is a lie. Furthermore, as a non-runner, do you believe that non-runners should be allowed to request changes on leaderboards that MUST be changed? Again, who gave you this authority? Authority to make demands and then make changes without discussion if they were not met? You submitted times that were wrong, they were corrected even when they were ancient or within a second. This was done.
Cheese himself linked you his runs I verified ffs.
