Nothing is stopping you from doing runs how you like, but segmented is a relic from the past that has nothing to do with a competitive website that is entirely focused on single segment runs.
What do you think will happen when you'll have excluded enough people that another community will form on another website with slightly different and therefore incompatible rules, huh ? Are you still WR if someone on this other site beat you there ? And if this other website becomes even more popular than this one ? And you tweet "I'm the best, look at my time !!!" and nobody cares ?
Be careful what you wish for, there are already several great speedrunners (like top 3 tier speedrunners) who don't want to deal with this website... Therefore, how do you know you're really 1st or 2nd ? Maybe someone from the outside beat you...
You do you, but being elitist will bite you in the ass one day...
the beauty of doing speedruns is that you don't need to have a leaderboard to validate them, you can do them however you like btw
but it looks like you just want to complain for the sake of complaining, so just go make your other website if you think there is elitism happening here
"The folks who might be turned away by that particular rule are typically the lazy folks who don’t want to take the time to learn how to actually play the game" and "In 2019 people should have good enough PCs to find a way to optimise to 120 fps." Two copy paste from the RE2 forum... No elitism, huh? Thank for clearing that up, I wouldn't have known otherwise...
"you can do them however you like btw" Hmmmm let's say yes, you can, but you couldn't submit it on the website... So, it's basically casual playthough that you do quickly...
"yeah sure, you can do whatever you want... it's just that you'll have to do that elsewhere... See ? I'm not excluding anyone !" Yeah... I can see that...
you can still submit runs even if you dont have 120 fps and that ends up being the cap
what is the issue here
The issue here (in particular) would be to forbid segmented runs because YOU (most RE2 speedrunners) don't use segmented runs. So, I have suggested maybe thinking outside of your bubble and allow segmented runs to allow more people to to run the game (people with kids, handicap, disease etc).
As it is now, you'll ban segmented runs just because and probably prevent sub 120fps people to participate... Then something will happen with the Xbox one and PS4 and those players won't be able to participate either because their framerate is shit or something like that and, in the end, like many other games, RE2 will be exclusive and we'll end up with the same exact people on the leaderboard... Sounds pretty elitist to me.
I have some games that I have, I could run them but don't because of the rules. It's stupid but like you said, I can still play alone in my corner... but the more you exclude people, the more people there will be outside than inside the community...
You know, segmented could be a thing on the Extended Categories page.
no one is forbidding you from doing segmented runs at all though, this is a website for single segment runs so segmented doesn't have a place here.
"this is a website for single segment runs" What ? What makes you think that ? I'm a mod on a game and there is a box to check "segmented", why would there be such box if this website was "single segment runs only" like you pretend ?!!!
If you have to lie to win an argument... haven't you already lost ?
SLr, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think you may want to take a break from this site for a bit. Just for a breather. The way you're sending your message is not the most effective.
It's just a game, mate. It's gonna be okay.
"I have suggested maybe thinking outside of your bubble and allow segmented runs to allow more people to to run the game (people with kids, handicap, disease etc)." The game is an hour speedrun though. I have a kid, shes not awake 24 hours a day
Original RE2 is just under an hour real time and it's the most popular RE speedrun
Currently, we are not doing Segmented and have no plans on doing it. It isnt stopping you from doing a Segment run on yiur own time to have fun with it. Most people barely run segmented in re games most of the time anyway. Also console and PC are serparate so what you talking about not being able to compete. Many games still have conpetitive console and pc boards.
That..and this game isnt that long..re1-3 are some of the most popular re games to run and they are under an hour. This game is around an hour and 30 at the most if you try to run..
Why ? Because I wrote 5 messages on the forum in 2 years and a half ? They are making the rules as we speak, what's your suggestion exactly ? That I come back in a year from now and try to change things then ? Isn't it the optimal time to discuss those things ?
My messages aren't the most effective ? Yes, I know ! Acting like a mafia is but I'm basically trying to speak for people who aren't there to give their point of view because these people are use to be passively excluded by the mods and the rules they make, thinking only about themselves.
I'm advocating to not actively removing a rule that wouldn't even disadvantage anybody (people who will save will actually lose time btw...) and prevent some people from running. Is it too much to ask ? Not checking a single box ? Is it too much ?
And I have no horse in this race by the way, I don't plan on running this game anyway.
"I have a suggestion !" "You're triggered, take a breathe" 0_o
@Soulless_Persona Why though ? Even if it allows a single person more to run this game, someone with a disability. This person will have to take more time than anybody else because he'll have to make a detour to save, he will be at the bottom of the leaderboard but at least this person will be able to participate for once. And again, it wouldn't disadvantage anyone.
So, right now, if I understand correctly it's : "we won't because we don't"
@snoolsie, my wording sucked and I can understand how you'd come to that conclusion. I knew immediately after posting it that saying lazy wasn't the best way to explain what I mean cause it wasn't what I meant. Let me rephrase it here. At some point if you're going to do a speedrun of this game you have to learn how to do the tricks, how to improve your movement, how to menu, and the learn the route. People that do this are going to reach a point where they can adhere to that existing rule, and likely really quick. This is not an insanely difficult game outside of Hardcore and that isn't exactly the type of difficulty that traditionally attracts new runners. The folks that don't want to spend the time learning it aren't lazy, again that was incredibly bad wording, but the people that don't want to learn these basic speedrunning things are likely not going to have been trying to run the game competitively in the first place and seeing as how Speedrun.com is fairly commonly looked at as a competitive speedrunning leaderboard tracking website, all I am saying is that it doesn't make sense to force accommodations for those people at the detriment of the folks that are going to stick around and try to learn the speedrun and do this for more than a week or two just because it's fun.
Now @SLr, I love the lets give everyone a chance attitude, but there is an old saying "If you try to please everyone, you'll please no one." The mods are trying to make rules to get rid of the pay to win FPS issues, they're making categories that keep folks from having to use OOB skips that are not simple to do as well. I think you're missing out on the things the mods are doing to try to keep the game competitive and accessible to more people because you're too busy trying to make every rule out to be a bad thing. If we go by SLr's standards, then should there be no rules? That might be a bit pedantic to say, but it's as extreme as what you keep pushing with each of your posts. You don't know me at all, but I have spent the last two years, since I got into doing speedruns myself, helping others learn how to run RE7. I've spent an absurd amount of my free time helping folks who have never done speedruns before learn everything from what NG/NG+/any% mean to explaining exact positioning and movement is necessary to complete difficult tricks in the game. I'm all for making things as accessible as possible, and I will firmly state that helping other people figure out how to do the run to the point where they can do it with the existing ruleset is more rewarding for the new runner in every way than changing the rules to make things slightly easier for them to start running. I came across as a "git gud" elitist earlier, that sucks, but it happened, and I'm not, I just don't think on a competitive leaderboard website that you need to cater to literally everyone when it breaks what makes the leaderboard competitive.
The issue isnt segmented runs, I agree they dont belong on a leaderboard. But runs that use saves and loads (I.e for a trick or a hard section ect) aare perfectly valid runs single segment. The issue is the timing, which is why the game sould be timed RTA without loads (as most modern runs are done via livesplit plugins)
