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Only his runs aye? Hmmmmm.
Zachoholic, which errors were brought to the attention of the mods that were not corrected in due time? The 0.5 second differences in 8 hour runs from years ago perhaps? The obsolete runs that ryedawg went through? The time errors brought forth were fixed until Ryedawg stabbed everyone in the back and put on a smile.
In ancient runs that existed prior to either I or Havii being mod. Do you believe all new mods should assume errors done by old mods and go back through each and every run? For what purpose? Who complained...oh right...just Ryedawg. Who doesn't run the game and left it for 2 years.
It is amazing that Ryedawg, and I guess now Cyoo, is willing to destroy the continued progress in this game specifically to maintain Ryedawg's power.
Perhaps had you known GTA V existed before this point Zachoholic you could have noted your concerns.
It's kind of hard to make an accurate reading about old runs when I'm an outsider looking in. For that I apologize.
But what do you mean "if I'd know this game existed"?
I also don't think that Gyoo would try and "destroy the continued process of this game" because what???
I meant you have never run the game nor taken an active interest in its moderation. Why are you here? It is the same with each person who has spoken in Ryedawg's defence. Until it came time for Ryedawg to seize control, most here would have had to give throught as to what "GTA V" even stood for. Yet these people are deciding the fate of these boards and the running environment as a whole.
@M_tt As you say, Ryedawg still does lurk in your streams despite your banning him and wanting nothing to do with him. This is the Ryedawg we know. http://imgur.com/a/6h19K
In the last hour or so since M_tt wrote his post above?
...and my stream Bosz? http://imgur.com/a/rIhVs I suppose he is savouring my suffering.
I must say that this thread has at least the benefit of proving my previous point : people keep standing on their position and we already reached the dead end I was talking about earlier. I said I'm all ears to find a better solution, but the only thing I've seen is people trashtalking on each other (Basically, the only thing I've seen is "I would be happy with any solution where at least Ryedawg was not a mod", which is, well, not really a compromise).
I am checking the leaderboard's logs frequently, and so far I haven't seen anything bad happen. I do have a similar mindset as S' thoughts.
Therefore, no, I am not trying to "destroy the continued progress in this game specifically to maintain Ryedawg's power". I will try to contact both old mods and news mods during the weekend to organize something on Discord or wherever else.
I'll level with you DV. Yeah all I've done is do a couple bad ILs a year or so ago. I do watch Toriks stream his speedruns but whatever. I also don't like ryedawg as a person, so I'm not really "on his side". I'm trying to think of both sides. However, what I fail to see is what any of that has to do with me putting my input in on the situation.
How is any solution where Ryedawg isn't a mod not a compromise? Make a neutral capable third party a moderator. The leaderboards will be maintained, as Ryedawg pretends to want, and those of us who know Ryedawg can sleep soundly. Ryedawg does not have any business being moderator. In the same way he has no business being the moderator of Ori, zelda or the magic school bus leaderboards. He is the only person who had a problem. No one else. These people here who are supporting him have not been here in two years or likely had to be informed there was even a leaderboard.
I am sure he has convinced you this is about the leaderboards, it is not. It is why he said if Toriks left as mod he would add no one else. It is about getting back at people. It is why he is lurking in my and M_tt's stream with popcorn and laughing. You don't know Ryedawg. http://imgur.com/a/OmudB Whatever you think Ryedawg can achieve, is he the best person to achieve it?
He is not swooping in and fixing all the problems in the complaint box. He stuffed the complaint box, gave it to you, and went about fixing his imagined problems once he got back at those he feels wronged him.
"I dont see what is wrong with watching..." streamers who have banned you which shows a desire to not have you interact in their streams. You care nothing for their wishes, even stalking them when shown you are not wanted. This is who you are Ryedawg.
"DatesL54 would take over for toriks..." As you would know if you actually knew anything about the runners or the game itself, Dates wants to run again and will acquire the hardware to do this. He also is still active in GTA V streams, unlike you unless you want to troll M_tt or others you feel have wronged you.
"If i didnt enjoy...." harassing m_tt. You are going places you are banned specifically to irritate runners.
" if and when i mess up" You have done nothing to deserve that opportunity. You do not stab everyone in the back as a resume' to show you are deserving of a crown. To continue the analogy, regicide is not an application.
"having less mods is better" Perhaps the people who run GTA V should have a say in who is mod, who is not a mod and how many mods there should be instead of you (again) deciding everything for everyone without any form of discussion. "I say who can be mod for I am Ryedawg".
Again Gyoo, why is Ryedawg fit to be mod? Who is he helping? What demand from runners prompted this change? Ryedawg appears to be mod...specifically to make Ryedawg happy and he isn't even a runner. Shouldn't the leaderboards exist for the benefit of the speedrunners themselves? Does Ryedawg get to audit every leaderboard and get you to make him supermod if he is not satisfied?
"Should note you changed this with out asking anyone DV" Your ignorance of the situation is breathtaking but more so your tendency to throw stones within your glass fortress my liege.
Telling him that he is not welcome in GTAV streams just before berating him for not being in GTAV streams. LMAO
Whichever point you feel more passionate about, it still holds no relevancy in one's capability to moderate the game. So Rye has been mod for about 24 hours now. Have the leaderboards improved? I would say so.
So far, not only has he ensured accuracy but has done it quickly. At this point, you would be better off making the case why you should've been able to retain your mod status instead of trying to diminish and bully someone else whom is trying to help and assist the community.
Saying that no current runner of the game is supporting Ryedawg is wrong. I have done several races this year against Charlie, one of these was also re-streamed on GTAmarathon (if that matters). And Although I did not PB and submit a run to the leaderboard, I would still consider myself part of the GTAV community. I just don't have the time to stream as much because I work a full time job. But I do my part. I moderate and watch when Toriks streams. I read the forums to keep myself updated. And I try to play it when I have the time and energy. And I support Ryedawg. He has now shown his commitment by re-timing many runs, and trying to answer whatever questions you ask. When he does something wrong, or changes something without talking to the community, THEN you can start crying to Gyoo. But until this happens I have seen no reason not to trust Ryley's judgement when it comes to moderating this leaderboard.
"not welcome in GTAV streams" Not welcome in two GTA V streams. Joe, please. One was from a long time ago, one was as of yesterday. This is not all GTA V streams.
"Have the leaderboards improved? I would say so." I question your capacity to make such a judgement and the effect that any ruling has on you personally. I ask again, why are you still here? Who asked for any change that runs the game? Who has actively experienced practical benefits from any change bar Ryedawg?
"bully someone else whom is trying to help and assist the community" You are speaking about a person who went behind everyone's back and made himself mod, with no discussion or input from anyone. In light of the turmoil his actions have caused, he is unrepentant. He has harassed M_tt for the longest time and continues to go into streams where he is specifically banned and unwanted. You are then saying he is trying to help the 'community'. Who specifically? No one asked for him to mod. You don't get browny points if you walk over to a cripple, kick them out of their wheel chair, and carry them up the stairs. There was no consent, only hostile take over. You can not berate me for things (completely misrepresenting me) while ignoring the faults that have us here in the first place.
Very well Mizter, I stand corrected. ONE runner in the past year supports him. Mizter, you ASK for a trial to prove yourself. You do not take it and then seek to prove yourself. If I hack into the Ocarina of Time leaderboards, or lie my way there, I don't get to say "Gee, I think I have done a good job for the last 24 hours. Let me stay". It is bad faith. That the manner by which Ryedawg seized control with no discussion or input does not disturb you screams volumes about you personally. Do you believe this is the behaviour of a good mod? I put forth this whole situation is evidence that Ryedawg has "done something wrong". I can not sneak my way into mod status for leaderboards, change a few things and say "I AM THE BEST".
Here are things as they stand, Ryedawg claims his only desire is an accurate leaderboard. The bare minimum asked in response to the not discussed "demoding" and "moddings" is that the person responsible does not retain his mod status, that is Ryedawg.
If this is not about power and self-gratification, then Ryedawg will clearly be willing to submit to someone else who we all can agree is capable to be supermod. He will get what he wants, an accurate leaderboard. Those who disagree will get the minimum of that they want, Ryedawg not being mod. This is a fair compromise.
Is there a flaw in my reasoning?
I agree 100%. Ryedawg should be removed as a mod and a suitable mod should be decided by democratic procedure.
