Usually that means that you have a better run on the leaderboard already, so there's no point in accepting the new run as far as progression goes.
random opinion: i think its stupid to reject runs for being obsolete. i like to have all my pbs in my profile for history and rejecting them kinda ruins the progression and history of the game
Probably thought it was a mistake / that you didn't care about it. If you ask them I'm sure they'll verify it if that's the case.
@SioN but if it's being rejected for being obsolete that means they would already have a better time on the leaderboard, so that run is not a PB, just a normal run. So it really does nothing for progression and history of the game to have that run there, it would just be submitting every run you ever did to the leaderboard.
If you get a 10:00 time a week after your verified PB of 9:50 is on the leaderboard, yeah, don't submit that, and the mod should reject it. But I'm pretty sure this is "I got a 10:00 and then before that run was verified I got a 9:50." The mod should verify both (as long as both follow the rules).
@DarQ_Massacres i dont submit every run i finish except if all of them are pbs. If i finish three runs in one session from which two are pbs, i submit those two pb runs not the third one because at no point in time was it my best time :p
I had a run rejected for the same reason when submitting 2 at the same time. I would speak to the mod if you really want it added to your account. Personally, I'm not that bothered, it was just that the other one was my first completed run, so I just accepted the rejection as it is on my Youtube account anyway.
In a game I moderate, new runners will often submit several runs at the same time, which can be very annoying, especially if there are other runs in the queue. They'll do their first ever run, submit, and then do attempts, pb, submit, pb, submit, and repeat that several times over the course of an hour or so. Most of these runs I reject for being obsolete, because us mods have other things to do. I understand that some people care about progression though. If it does bother you and you really want the runs on your profile, just message the mod who rejected the run and ask for it to be verified.
[quote=Merl_]In a game I moderate, new runners will often submit several runs at the same time, which can be very annoying, especially if there are other runs in the queue. They'll do their first ever run, submit, and then do attempts, pb, submit, pb, submit, and repeat that several times over the course of an hour or so. Most of these runs I reject for being obsolete, because us mods have other things to do. I understand that some people care about progression though. If it does bother you and you really want the runs on your profile, just message the mod who rejected the run and ask for it to be verified.[/quote] I mean this with respect, but what "other" things does a mod of a game have to do than....moderate the game? If you're getting annoyed by submissions, then you probably shouldn't be moderating a game (or at least not moderating one short enough to see many completed runs in under an hour).
It's the literal job of a game mod to moderate the game and approve runs, so choosing to reject runs just because you don't have time - or even worse don't want to watch them all - seems like a good case for adding more mods to the game if it's that busy or find mods who have the time. What you're describing is no different than what a runner would do if they PB'd only once a day - do their first run, submit, PB, submit, PB, submit. Like that's exactly what a runner is supposed to do, what difference does it make if they get those 3 PBs in an hour vs. over the course of 3 days? If the game is short enough to PB that many times in an hour, then this volume of runs should be expected, and the moderation team should be ready to handle them. Putting the onus on the runner to say "please accept all my runs" is a terrible idea in my opinion because most runners expect all their runs to be accepted by default, they don't expect to need to ask to have that happen; they just assume "If I PB, then my run can be submitted and accepted".
I have a life outside of this website. I don't just sit at my pc all day long. I'm willing to verify runs, as I said, but each run can take a while to verify, so verifying a bunch of old, obsolete runs is annoying. Again, if the person cares about progression, I'll verify it. The point of my above post was just to offer a different viewpoint, since everyone in the replies seems to think that the mod who rejected @Hollywood 's run made a mistake.
Also, there's a big difference between sitting down for an hour and verifying a bunch of runs and doing it a few minutes at a time over a while.
Many games ask that runners finish their attempt session before submitting runs.
Finally, game has 6 mods. We don't need to add more.
[quote=Merl_]I have a life outside of this website.[/quote] So does just about everyone else here. This is irrelevant, it's a known variable that volunteer work like this requires time, and if you don't have the time to do it fully, there is no shame in not doing it. This is why site staff have continually stepped down - they lose the ability to dedicate enough time to the site and the requirements of their volunteer role. [quote=Merl_]I don't just sit at my pc all day long. I'm willing to verify runs, as I said, but each run can take a while to verify, so verifying a bunch of old, obsolete runs is annoying.[/quote] But you're not verifying obsolete runs, you're verifying runs that, at the time, were valid PBs. Just because they were beaten later on doesn't mean that they should be auto rejected. This build's off Liv's point - seeing progression is huge to people, it's why users like the WR graphs and want them to be improved. As a moderator, you shouldn't get to decided that by default, only a runner's best attempt is taken from all the other perfectly valid runs that were PBs at time of submission. [quote=Merl_]Many games ask that runners finish their attempt session before submitting runs.[/quote] I have literally never seen nor heard of this rule existing. I would love examples of this, because this seems like such an arbitrary, pointless rule. Who defines a "session"? Is it 1 day, 1 hour, 3 hours, 1 stream? What if it's all offline attempts? There is zero way to validate a "session" that a person did. [quote=Merl_]Finally, game has 6 mods. We don't need to add more.[/quote] Clearly you do need to add more if the current 6 mods can't be bothered to verify all legitimate runs.
And to @6oliath point, yes, there is a section of the Moderation Rules on the site that explicitly says not to do what you and the other mods are doing. [quote=Moderation Rules]Please do not reject runs just because they are obsoleted by a newer submission. They still go into the database to show history over time.[/quote] For your reference: https://www.speedrun.com/moderationrules
My view is as long as the newest and best run is fine the other runs arent that noteable and just need skipping over the video (As long those runs arent also extremely good) Just looking a bit over it and making a modnote on the run is (hopefully) enough.
Also for when you get a ton of really really unoptimised submission i would argue that if the runs are barely speedruns you can reject them on that ground.
Playerprogression out of mod sight: I find it important to get some inbeetween views, its always harder to verify if someone comes with a extremely good run over night because runners didnt send in runs. So discouraging it by rejecting those runs (even if they arent in any way are milestone) is more than suboptimal.
Rules which matter in this discussion:
"Many games ask that runners finish their attempt session before submitting runs." Maybe I just am misremembering, or someone inside of my community said that.
I feel like this discussion is getting off topic and heated, so this will be my last post. I understand that people care about progression, and runs have been reverified after they have been rejected before. I also have spent a lot of time setting up and verifying runs for the main leaderboard and category extensions. And no, we don't need new mods. Every single submission has been verified or rejected within 3 days for this game.
Finally, I don't think you can judge someone's character based on whether or not they reject runs for being obsolete. None of the mods are incompetent, lazy, or "arses" just because we reject the run.
I was not aware of that part of the moderation rules, It's been almost a year since I read through them
This is only tangentially related, but if I'm not mistaken the site has a long-time glitch in how it displays runs that were submitted on the same day. When this bug gets brought up, if my memory serves, there's usually a few voices that declare that runners should only submit one run per session/day/stream anyway, which would also avoid the glitch.
So @Timmiluvs it's not exactly unheard of, nor is it a new idea that runners should limit themselves to one PB submission per day or whatever.
(I don't really agree, and my personal opinion is that runners should submit every run they are proud of. Even slower times, if they do something new or interesting in that run. I'm happy to verify. But that's just me, and I welcome any little bit of legit speedrun activity on my small leaderboards.)
[quote]In a game I moderate, new runners will often submit several runs at the same time, which can be very annoying, especially if there are other runs in the queue. They'll do their first ever run, submit, and then do attempts, pb, submit, pb, submit, and repeat that several times over the course of an hour or so. Most of these runs I reject for being obsolete, because us mods have other things to do.[/quote]
You should step down as mod.