Leaderboards moderation requests thread
9 years ago
Montana, USA

No offense and all offense meant at the same time, but I also wouldn't respond to what appears to be a young emo teenager, a complete stranger, spamming me with a message that he couldn't even bother to type out all the way, with no context as to why. Additionally, your twitter bio is totally conceited, and I'd ignore you on it alone!

Looking through the forums for the boards though, you're trying to get mod for something for no real reason. You've submitted runs for NASCAR 2011: The Game and Days of Thunder: NASCAR Edition. You've made one forum topic on each game, and one on the series.

For the series, there are no notifications for people posting to them. So chances are your post wasn't noticed because of that. For NASCAR 2011: The Game, you requested some new categories. StrawberryMilk added you as a mod so you could add the categories, and said that he might remove you as mod after that was done. And he did. For Days of Thunder: NASCAR Edition, you requested new categories. You're also -currently- a mod on the game, and have been, yet you haven't added the categories you requested yet.

So the mod has been very accommodating to your requests made on site, and has been responsive, and has been active at keeping runs up, while you, as a mod, haven't even bothered to add your own categories... Mind blown.

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Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil

Hello! I would like to receive mod in the game flappy birds. I am currently 1 :)

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Antarctica

The mod of Flappy Bird is active on here daily, contact him and see if he needs help moderating the board.

Also, Racingmonster's appearance doesn't mean jack shit when reaching out to someone. Sure, he could have definitely added more context to any tweets he sent the guy (all I have is that one screenshot he posted to go off of, I don't know any of the history of this btw), but come on now, there is no reason to insinuate that just because he looks some way it's a problem.

And a tip for future posts, if the first sentence of your post is "No offense and all offense meant at the same time", you probably shouldn't post whatever follows because the second you start meaning offense to someone, that's when you need to stop posting.

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Valhalla

All I'm saying is to me it'd make more sense to state why you'd want to DM the person in the initial tweet and then go from there in DMs, regardless of history

Edit so I'm not creating more posts for kirkq to sift through: this isn't like Facebook and that's a weird comparison given Facebook is a more personal person to person social setting so of course things would be more private, you also can just pm someone yourself on facebook, commenting "pm me" is pretty pointless and to me looks like "hey everyone look this person and I know each other and talk personally" when you have the same capability of pming, not saying have a whole conversation in tweet form, just a simple "hey can you DM me about moderating such and such" or whatever, apologies if creating a new category/getting mod is a private matter to you, I see you aren't following one another either so who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Montana, USA

@racingmonster

I'm putting an exact copy of myself in StrawberryMilk's shoes. I might not remember my interactions with RacingMonster in the past. We had a brief couple of messages (from what I can see on the forums), I approved a few runs on two occasions, and I'm bad with names. So then, suddenly, someone messages me on twitter, "yo hmu then," and that's it. I'm old. I have to Google what hmu even means. And then? I didn't message you saying anything, and why would I hit you up at all?

I look at the picture, it's a kid that was in diapers when I was in high school at least. I personally think he looks ridiculous, flashing signs and looking like a clown with only half his face painted on yet. I don't know what this guy is selling, but I probably don't want any. I ignore the fact that the message ever happened.

Even ignoring -everything- else except the message itself, why would I waste my time writing you back? Why couldn't you have just said what you wanted to say in the first place, without me confirming that I'm listening right then and there? I don't write a pen pal saying, 'Yo, get back at me." then wait for a response before I send an actual letter. I don't do that for e-mails. I -might- do that for a text message in a very limited circumstance, but none of those circumstances are likely going to be true with Twitter.

But, with most cases, if you say something to someone that doesn't really know you, and you don't offer any substance to what you're saying, you're probably not going to get the most favorable of responses. Tron_Javolta said it just right.

Now a list of random things

  1. "We know each other so there is no reason for him to ignore me, just 1 rude, 2 unprofessional as a mod." If he didn't know he was being requested as a mod, how was he supposed to know he was acting as a mod? Having a past does not mean he knows or remembers you.
  2. I can definitely be harsh with my words, but it's not my job to cater toward your feelings.
  3. "Not spamming when I did 1 tweet @ him a month" If I get 1 message, just once, that says fwd this message because I'm a ghost and I will haunt you, but if you foward to ten frnds then you will have good luck and ur crush will kiss you in 12 hours, that's spam. Spam doesn't just have to do with frequency.
  4. " He has not been active to my requests in the last 2 months..." He has been active to all your requests when you've been clear about what you've wanted or needed though.
  5. "If you are aren't going to help my situation or get him to contact me, don't leave anything replying to me or anything about it. Thanks." I'll surely do as I please, quite obviously.

@Timmiluvs Appearance absolutely means a lot in the general world. You can go about your life how you want, and if you can make it through without judging anyone's appearance, ever, then good on you, but the rest of the world doesn't work that way. If an African American was on Twitter and got a message from someone dressed up as the KKK with a message that said, 'yo, hmu then,", what do you think the response would be? Extreme example, sure, but it's still true. We ignore people based on appearance all the time as a society. Every time someone ignores the homeless guy at the corner of Wal-Mart, holding up a cardboard sign, he is ignored by nearly everyone. In the same vein, that same guy can wear a cheap suit and hold up a professionally done sign and people will look to see what it says.

Is it the right thing to do? Maybe not. But it's something that happens, and it's based on appearances.

And I should totally note, this is not speaking on behalf of StrawberryMilk whatsoever. Just how I'm viewing the situation.

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New York, USA

I'm only going to say a few things on this forum about this topic;

  1. I have been very busy with school and now that exams are over for me I can be more active with the site and the games I moderate.
  2. I will usually answer tweets that have the specific game mentioned in the tweet. For example, I got a tweet a couple days ago for someone wanting mod for the MySims series. He even mentioned it in his tweet. Now he is mod for the series.
  3. @alkaline_ice I'm not starting anything with you but I will not look at racingmonster differently just over the way he looks or his past with me or whatever. He is a person, and I will respect him no matter what he looks like.
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United States

Shienjeru: Added due to inactivity.

FireFox2000000 / thebpg13 : I moved stuff around in an attempt to help fix this. You guys can add people where you see fit. If there is general consensus after a while, we can look at adding series mods again.

EduardoRN: The mod is active, please discuss it with them.

Racingmonster: Since the mod is here I guess some discussion occurred. To your other point, getting more people involved in a way such that the site day-to-day tasks are still run in a semi-consistent manner is quite difficult. I'm well aware this is a problem, and I'd actually really like to get myself out of handling so many requests. It just hasn't happened yet.

Castlevania Stuff: (EDIT: Comments removed)

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New York, USA

@kirkq If you're referring to me, I can't imagine what drama you might think I've intentionally stirred up. I'd love to know. What Twitter bait posts are you referencing? The only time I remember talking to anyone about Lament on Twitter was when Komrade asked me if he could mod the board. As per my recollection, I replied one time to let him know I had modded Dragondarch and that he'd be taking care of run submissions before I ended up being blocked by Komrade.

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Requesting mod/supermod for N64 game Extreme-G Game: http://www.speedrun.com/Extreme-G

No idea where the current mods are at + there's a few things I'd like to add/change to the game's Leaderboards

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Montana, USA

@Xelna Both of the mods for that game are active on Twitter, at the very least.

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United States

Xelna: I bumped the active mod up to a super.

CriscoWild: https://twitter.com/CriscoWild/status/875866097706205186 https://twitter.com/CriscoWild/status/876115160242540547 EDIT: The rest of this comment is removed due to inaccuracies.

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New York, USA

@kirkq I didn't ask for mod status on the Lament board. My only request was that the board be made. Series mod JoeDamillio can back me up on this 'cause he's the one I talked to. During the conversation we had, I asked him to make a board, he did and made me mod, and I specifically told him that although I appreciated it, I didn't know anything about the game but would try to do my best until someone better came along. I don't know where you're getting the idea that I've ever tried to bait people into getting mad. That's never my intention. Whomever you've been talking to that's whispering things into your ear, I think you might need to give that a break and get to know me yourself before jumping on the bandwagon of everyone hating on me. I mean, if we're going to play the screenshot game, I can send you mine. You wanna see me talking to Joe or Dragondarch? You wanna see my Discord conversations about setting this board up just so my friends could have somewhere to submit runs to? Do I need to bring in character witnesses who have spent way more time with me than either you, Luiz, or Komrade who can tell you what kind of a guy I am? I'm not at all interested in drama but if you insist on dragging my name through the mud, we can talk on here or we can talk on Discord or wherever you're comfortable with. Either way, I'm not having this smear campaign.

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North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

@Turtles_are_Love

Can you add me as a mod, too? I really love that game series and I have a few ideas about the leaderboards.

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Poland

The CMR community has agreed to this distribution of duties in the series: As we are unable to sort it out by hand, we are asking administration to give us a hand.

CMR: thebpg13, PojeBunny CMR 2.0: thebpg13 , Lucky (as normal moderator) CMR 3: PojeBunny CMR 04: PojeBunny, Kinnin11 (as normal moderator) CMR '05: thebpg13 Dirt 3: FireFox2000000 , mopsi (as normal moderator) CMR Mobile: SPY3R Dirt Rally: FireFox2000000 , PojeBunny

Series Moderation: benjacastellon , PojeBunny Also, if possible: benjacastellon as supermoderator for every game of the series.

Thank you once again for bringing life back to Colin McRae Rally Series. New events are being organised. People are interested in running new games of the series.

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Hello, I would like to be a mod for the game Kmart's Haunted House (http://www.speedrun.com/kmart_haunted_house), as the mod only accepted his own run to get the WR, and then left. While he's only been offline for a month, he has NO provided contact information on his page and hasn't responded to the many forum posts. If you could help me to help this game, I would very much appreciate that. He is also the only mod, so there's no one else to talk to about accepting the runs that are still waiting to be approved and no active super mod to add new mods.

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North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

@Serpykologici

Yeah, you will definitly be added. That guy doesn't know much about modding a leaderboard. He didn't even put rules! And didn't put "Web" as the platform!

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United States

Turtles_are_Love: Added due to no mods

PojeBunny: Super mods can add other super mods if that is what people want to do. I do not want to add series moderators at this time due to past conflicts, and I think the moderation is relatively stable as it is. If users want to self-remove or add people, I think you guys are capable of handling that without me making all the executive decisions on your behalf.

Serpykologicl: Added due to long pending runs.

CriscoWild: I'll retract my original comments to some extent and rephrase to "Regardless of the actual intent, you seem to be getting caught up in things that appear to be patterns of behavior that are particularly annoying to other users, regardless of whether or not they are actually intended as such" Maybe you just asked for the board to be created because you noticed it didn't exist or you were thinking about running it, and maybe you didn't ask for mod, and maybe you just got mod by consequence, and maybe you thought that was weird, and maybe you tweeted about it because you thought it was weird, and maybe you didn't want to add the series moderator who (like you) didn't run this specific game, and maybe you thought the other mod who did run the game should mod it. Or other people might well see it as intentionally undermining and bypassing series moderation and creating unnecessary conflict, which is a frequent problem on the site. Or maybe it's halfway in between; life's not so black and white. At the very least users in different communities got annoyed twice in two weeks, which brings a bunch of annoyed people to this thread asking why these things happen which site staff gets to deal with. I don't think you have an inherent need to moderate that game in a series that you have zero runs in; it's just a lightning rod for controversy.

I'll delete these comments and/or take them to Twitch DM if you want to do the same. Or I'm just as fine leaving them here for posterity. I don't find it particularly enjoyable spending my free time on this, and I'm sure you don't either.

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New York, USA

@kirkq I'm not willing to accept blame for people who don't like me finding reasons to be annoyed with me when I'm not actively trying to annoy anybody. That'd be silly.

https://gyazo.com/8b7a728ad55035871bff369d446c57be - Here's screenshot #1 of the opening paragraphs in my conversations with Castlevania series mods Dragondarch and JoeDamillio. There are four of these mods and the reason I asked them first can be seen in the next screenshot.

https://gyazo.com/9670c5c30fefb1f8895c349e0f6aaadd - Here's screenshot #2, a pic of the Castlevania series page. Here you can see Joe and Dragon are on top with Komrade and Kmac on bottom. Contrary to what might be your belief, I did not neglect asking Komrade out of some show of disrespect because I dislike him or anything like that. He'd have been next on the list if the first two hadn't responded. I went in order from top to bottom, making an exception to ask Dragondarch first because a friend had previously told me he has WR.

As you can see in SS#1, I specifically requested that the Castlevania series mods set the board up themselves as opposed to having me ask the SR.com site staff to do it. There was a reason for this.

https://gyazo.com/cf667f73657967cdce6e6150f12e4852 - Screenshot #3. The first time I posted on this thread was for Twisted Metal 2 when I had a run that needed to be verified. The mod at the time wasn't active and I wanted to call attention to it so that it could be taken care of. You'll note that I did not ask for mod here and was given mod anyway without ever having been asked if I wanted it. This would not be the last time it would happen.

https://gyazo.com/b7b6e2d1e2dd2ee63ada672c44f52196 - Screenshot #4. This is your response to what I posted so many months ago.

https://gyazo.com/4cb39ea64864a846c49b7abba9c88003 - Screenshot #5. My surprised response at finding out I'm a mod. How can you look at this and think I mean anyone any harm? I had no idea what I was doing but I was given this responsibility and I tried my best to make the most of it. When I started as mod, the only boards that existed were TM2 and TM4. I made boards for the rest of the games because I knew people would eventually want to submit runs and that's what happened. People came, they submitted runs, we all talked and had fun, I made us a Discord to congregate on, it was good times for everybody.

I see a lot of maybes being thrown around. There's no reason to wonder about a lot of those things, you know. I can just straight up tell you about every single one of them. If you choose not to believe me and instead you take the word of people who never talk to me or play with me, that's certainly your prerogative but I have to ask: who would know better than me what my motivations and intentions are?

"Maybe you just asked for the board to be created because you noticed it didn't exist or you were thinking about running it" - I definitely asked for the board to be created because I definitely noticed it didn't exist and I had friends who were considering running the game. I've never considered running it prior to being mod and when I considered that, it was only to familiarize myself with the game so as to be a better mod.

"maybe you didn't ask for mod" - There's no maybe about this one. I never asked for mod, not for Twisted Metal 2, not for Mega Man X3, and not for Lament of Innocence. In all three cases, they were given to me without having been asked first if I wanted it.

"maybe you just got mod by consequence" - I did. Here's screenshot #6 - https://gyazo.com/0af7b5d516bec6d4c67062a7f12a2267 - This shows series mod JoeD letting me know he'd given me mod and me letting him know instantly that I didn't run the game, that I knew nothing about it, and that I was more than willing to step aside once someone better came along. In addition, you'll see further communication on my part toward Dragondarch in which I let him know that the board was up, that I'd heard from other people (Komrade and Plum) that he and SirVG had runs floating around, and that I'd like to add them to the board. This is me being cooperative with any members I can find of an established community for the game and/or series.

Keep in mind you've accused me of "intentionally undermining and bypassing series moderation and creating unnecessary conflict" despite the fact that there's evidence to support I've been willing to work with two out of three series mods, only refusing to mod the third when I found out he was being a judgmental jerk toward me despite not having talked to me previously. Had you or him not deleted his forum posts, this is where I'd have screenshotted those. I'm the one creating conflict? I had never once talked to Komrade prior to his nasty messages on this thread. You're going to have to explain to me how I'm to blame for his choices on how to approach me. Other members of this site saw fit to call him out on it but for some reason you blame me. I don't get it.

Before we run the risk of having this deleted as well, here's screenshot #7 - https://gyazo.com/432eaec43942af23de0b478917bfa0f0 - This is a member of the site who I am not terribly familiar with and maybe haven't talked to before standing up for me on account of the way that Komrade chose to approach the situation.

Here's screenshot #8 - https://gyazo.com/d2724a19fda03375cf28a78e35c2f1ae - Another instance of people standing up for me and/or criticizing Komrade for how he handled the situation. As you can see in my message addressed to him (the message he wrote but was deleted), I didn't call him names or tell him to heck off, I didn't bust out my caps lock key and get real toxic. I stayed chill even while he was decidedly less than such.

Let's get into some more maybes.

"maybe you thought that was weird" - I don't really think of it like that or care. Being mod isn't a power thing, it's a service you do for the community. It's an opportunity to make things better. Weird that I'm mod of a game I don't know? Sure, but you make the most of it.

"maybe you tweeted about it because you thought it was weird" - I did not tweet about me being mod in Lament. I have a grand total of 20 posts on my Twitter and five of them are Lament-related.

Two are responses to Plum's own tweets about me that someone brought to my attention (as seen in the first link that you provided yourself).

One was a reply to somebody who asked that I respond to Komrade's SR.com posts about me (seen here in screenshot #9 - https://gyazo.com/8e86b5d4f234b1868d357e22058b5b0b -).

One was a reply to Komrade who asked if he could have mod after trashing me on the boards (seen here in screenshot #10 - https://gyazo.com/abc1f2be9f92cc9711532c6f60c8f61d -).

And the last was a reply to someone who had mistakenly interpreted a comment I made to mean I was advertising for a free WR in Lament; I took that opportunity to correct the misunderstanding so as not to appear foolish or a jerk (as seen in the second link that you provided).

"maybe you didn't want to add the series moderator who (like you) didn't run this specific game" - The only reason I didn't mod him instantly was because it was called to my attention that he was trash talking me. The first thing I read was his Twitter post and had I not been directed to look at SR.com that same moment, I'd have replied back with "Hell yes you can be mod. I'd love someone who knows the game to come in here and help me out or even take over for me. I just wanted to make the board, I don't need to mod it myself. Let me hook you up, one sec." Alas, he was a jerk. I don't give people what they want when they treat me with disrespect. I make no apologies for that.

"maybe you thought the other mod who did run the game should mod it." - Well, yeah. Isn't this a no-brainer? He's not just a series mod for Castlevania like Komrade. Dragondarch also happens to be the recognized WR holder for the majority, if not all, of this game's categories. Considering your eagerness to re-mod the X3 WR holder LuizMiguel, can you blame me for thinking that the Lament WR holder who was nice to me is perhaps a better choice for mod than the guy who didn't have any visible times on Plum's other Lament leaderboard screenshot and was a jerk to me? If your answer to that question is yes, I'd love to hear an explanation for your reasoning.

You're right about one thing, that being that users in different communities have been annoyed twice in two weeks. I'm one of them. I've been bullied and harassed quite a bit the past couple of weeks by people from X3, people from Lament, and even by you now. You guys don't dare take my feelings into consideration when I have to hear about how I'm a bad moderator, I'm untrustworthy, I'm crazy, I'm a douchebag, I'm power tripping, I'm baiting people into getting mad, I'm telling stories that you just don't buy. All this and for what? Because I dared to try making the boards a better place. You probably have no idea what kind of a toll this has had on me. All you care about is that all the other kids got mad because they either didn't get to shut the X3 boards down completely or because they didn't think to make a Lament board first. Boo hoo. You all think you have it super bad but a younger and more immature kids have literally killed themselves over less. So maybe instead of looking at me as the bad guy, you should all take a super long look in the mirror and just like said mirror, take some time to reflect. I've been nothing but nice to anyone who has been nice to me, and even when people aren't nice to me, I try to keep it chill for as long as I can. I'm not sure we can say that about you dudes.

And you're right about another thing. I don't have an inherent need to moderate Lament. I don't want it. I never wanted it. I'm not going to run it and I know nothing about it so why would I need to mod it? I wouldn't. That doesn't mean I won't if one of the Castlevania series mods gives me that responsibility, but as soon as I had the chance to mod someone better than me who wasn't a jerk, I took it. I respect the board and I respect the site. When are you going to respect me?

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Hi, I was requested to create a leaderboard on Lament of Innocence and did so after not seeing the game on the series page. Outside of that simple research and being told by the user that him and his friends would submit runs to it soon, I blindly made that choice; along with modding Crisco and de-modding myself because I don't like moderating a board which game's I have no knowledge of. I was surprised to not find any runs initially but I obviously did not look well, as there's two runs on the old cv.com board with people very trustworthy, regardless of what's going on here. I don't care to read the massive wall-of-text above, but there's obviously an issue that involves me since I'm the one that took the request, so I feel the need to clear some air. I took it mostly blind and I feel I made the mistake of taking the request due to lack of research anyone could've done, and I apologize for it.

California, USA

Holy moly. This has devolved into way past asking for mod. No one is going to read that essay, unless they really want to. This is really clogging up the forums with needless drama. Just do what kirkq said and PM him about this whole mess.

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