Add RTA column to leaderboard?
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4 years ago
Colorado, USA

Sadly, the sole moderator of the game hasn't been active in months or years. I'd be surprised if he ever stuck his neck out in this part of the woods again. The leaderboards and the times there-in will probably remain until the world is dust. Sorry.

It's not a good idea to compare RTA times when people's machines run the game at different rates than others'. IGT gives the best comparison across as far as quality of the run goes.

However, some users think it's acceptable to slow down the game intentionally to play more accurately and abuse the the In-Game Timer, so RTA has it's advantage here. Oh wait, I forgot -- they also think it's okay to speed up the video file before submitting so it looks like a legitimate speedrun. So now they've abused both IGT and RTA! Amazing!

As far as sticking my neck in these woods, your question reminded me how the speedrun of this game was ruined given the shady speedrun tactics though it's not "technically" violating the rules. I'll go crawl under my rock again.

Jumpyluff likes this
Gelderland, Netherlands

rofl fuck off I did that to show how bullshit IGT was, RTA is the only way, if your computer can't run a flash game well then whatever

f1 and Jumpyluff like this
United States

One potential course of action is to remove @Goomba 's 3:28.8 time from the leaderboard on the grounds that the video was sped up in post and is not exactly verifiable (also the game itself was possibly glitched on his machine for that run).

IGTs are very close between runners for the most part, and if Goomba had the unsped up original of his 3:28.8, I would view it as a bit more legitimate. I know Goomba expressed some doubt over f1's run (and mine), but f1's double tunnel boost is pretty solid and could be enough for WR since my 3:36.0 had a few awful mistakes but lucky ending RNG and Goomba's 3:36.2 didn't have as quality of boosts and had a poor ending. Lines just really don't matter compared to boosts.

In short, I still don't have compelling reason to doubt IGT, but I do feel that the 3:28.8 should probably be removed, and hopefully we can get Goomba on board as well. That way new runners will be able to compete without feeling like they are trying to beat a sketchy run.

Also @Jumpyluff f1 will always return!

United States

Also @f1 I believe @Goomba was just trying to make a demonstration by submitting his run and was not acting maliciously in any way. Goomba did not slow the game intentionally to get his run, it just happened randomly. Also, Goomba only sped up his run in post in order to show the perceived problems with IGT. I don't think it's right to attack Goomba on this.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Goomba likes this
Colorado, USA

I don't think Goomba claimed it happened randomly.

United States

He did claim it happened randomly in the discord we made

  1. "I just started up the game and it was laggy af, so I tried it out"
  2. "...but my flash lagged for some weird reason for that run"
  3. "... as for my last run, it randomly lagged I did 1 run with it and well there ya go" https://discord.gg/jg8U8yj
Edited by the author 4 years ago
Gelderland, Netherlands

It did lag randomly, then I made sure to abuse it to drive my point home

United States

Goomba do you think that your run should remain on the leaderboards?

My main argument against it being on the leaderboards is that it was sped up in post, with a potentially glitched out shockwave player as well.

I still think IGT is the best bet we have, as explained in an earlier post I wrote in this thread.

f1 likes this
Colorado, USA

let's just nuke the boards and pretend the game doesn't exist

Goomba likes this
Colorado, USA

It doesn't seem like Goomba wants it RTA though, otherwise he wouldn't have sped up the video and submitted it. He's had 4 months to pull down his own run and hasn't. Also, the sole moderator of the game hasn't been active in months or years. I'd be surprised if he ever stuck his neck out in this part of the woods again. The leaderboards and the times there-in will probably remain until the world is dust. Sorry.

United States

Maybe, but I think there is still potential for a consensus resolution here. Also f1 was active today I'm confused when you say the moderator is not active lol.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Gelderland, Netherlands

I'm all for RTA. I sped up the video just to show the difference. I could redownload the run, slow it down to whatever the fuck it was, but that's not the point. It's about igt. The game's IGT is not good at all, clearly my run shows this though very exaggerated

Also: lagging making for faster IGT is not uncommon at all. Even lovely planet 2, when played on a lower FPS, gets faster IGTs. It's broken.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
United States

Would be nice if we could hack the game to display IGT.

Colorado, USA

Don't you get it guys? The moderator is out to lunch and isn't coming home... Gone Fishing, if you will. It's crystal clear that he had no prior knowledge on how to set up and nurture a community, I mean he made the foreground image scroll left instead of right. He's either blind or doesn't pay attention to the fact that cars drive FORWARDS. That's a huge yikes and, if I might add, a red flag. I've already reported speedrun.com user f1 to Pac for having a board so popular and yet so poorly managed without adding on new team members, so hopefully one of us can snatch it up when it becomes available.

All in all, the problem isn't "IGT" or "RTA" or "TAS", it's the community and the leaders we have representing our favorite speedgame. I don't necessarily WANT this game to die, but at this point if he's in charge it's for the best. Like if u agree.

United States

Who said TAS was a problem? He doesn't even have world record in this game lel

United States

Game speed definitely does depend on many factors. For me there is even a difference if I'm recording or not. I lose about 1 second every 20 seconds RTA to my non recorded splits, which is why my splits are often all red in my runs

United States

Does anyone know the maximum framerate of this game? I assume 60, but can anyone confirm?

As a sidenote, my working theory is that every 1 second IRL is clocked as 1.25 seconds IGT under perfectly lagless conditions. Maybe figuring these things out could be useful for us?

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