Hi, so I have started learning neutral story and I have it down, but I can't do any runs because my game freezes whenever I try ccg. Is there any way I can prevent this?

What button are you pressing to close the checkpoint menu window? I believe pressing Start always causes a crash but Y seems to work well enough for me.

By the way, sometimes it will still crash even when you do it correctly because the glitch isn't very stable.

I usually wait for a mandatory stop if there is one

Yes I am referring to the mandatory stop. When the game mandatorily stops you, what button do you use to close the checkpoint menu? It sounds trivial but it matters.

I don't close it does it freeze if I don't close it?

I'm asking about closing it because I had thought that was the cause, because that's the only way I know would guarantee that the game crashes. Because normally, the game should not crash every single time you use it.

I'm going to ask for a few more details. Which stages does this occur on? What console are you playing on? Where are you using CCG in these stages?

If you could provide a video that could be helpful in solving your problem. Even if it's just a crappy phone video, that should be fine.

Mostly westopolis, happened once on prison island, and once on iron jungle. During westopolis I do the glitch at the 3rd checkpoint in the level. I'm playing on gamecube

Does it also matter if I'm playing the game off of an emulator on my wii?

The fact that you are doing it at checkpoint 3 may possibly be the problem. Try following our route for Westopolis and using CCG at the second checkpoint, and see what happens. (Remember it still has a CHANCE to crash so try it a few times if it crashes the first time)

I'm not sure if being on Emulator causes any problems. but I personally run on my Wii and that's fine. (Gamecube is perfectly acceptable though)

Is there possibly a guide for speed running this game? because when I went in, all I had for info was other runs

Hello,

There shouldn't be any major differences between GC and Wii. That's something I would like to look into in the future when I have more time.

I assume you are using something like Nintendont for playing the game on the Wii? If so, it's possible you are experiencing things you normally wouldn't if you were playing with an official physical disc. From experience I know there are some loading differences between the two so maybe your issue is a result of that.

By the way, as of right now there's currently a ban on any form of emulation runs for the game. If you would like a verifiable run, you would need to acquire a physical copy of the game and run with that. The ban is in place due to the inaccuracies and advantages emulation runs have over official release runs. For example, Running with Nintendont gives the runner a RTA advantage due to faster loading just about everywhere.

Don't let this stop you from learning the game though and feel free to ask if you have any other questions about the game.

Video guides are something I'm planning to start working on in the coming months.

I have it on ps2, but I heard ccg only works on gamecube, and ps2 load times are slower

CCG works on PS2. The only version it doesnt work on is Xbox. There's a few other issues with the PS2 version, like how normal chaos control wont take you as far as it does in the other versions. Also if you use CCG in Prison Island, the game is guaranteed to crash. Well at least this stuff happens when you play on a PS3. I dont have a PS2 to test on.

Another option for you would be to learn the Neutral Story No CCG route. We have leaderboards for all of the categories excluding CCG in the misc. section. Eventually we will be converting the boards to rank by in game time, so load times wont matter between levels, just gameplay during levels. The route itself is not that bad, it just requires playing the game the entire time instead of half the time with CCG :P

Is there one for all endings too?

Not at the moment. That's a category we have been keeping track of outside of the boards since it really just me and Azurillkirby that run the category. Just like the No CCG categories before, if there's enough of a want to add the category to the boards it could happen. Right now the WR for Any% is 4:34:12 and the WR for No CCG is 5:14:16, both by me. I was actually just thinking about getting those videos highlighted today before I forgot about them.

What about just last story?

Very unlikely. It's one stage, a boss, and a lot of cutscene skipping. The stage only requires about a minute of gameplay with CCG and the boss can be beaten in 2 minutes. It has a start and an end, so it's definitely a speedrun, but not one really worth adding to the boards here.