@Lance_ I think you missed the point. The point was, if the PC version is the fastest version and speedrunning is to go fast then why have any other version allowed? And no, it's not literally the same game. I thought you knew that the PC version loads the entire level. Not just sectors. This makes the penthouse clip possible.

[quote] The point was, if the PC version is the fastest version and speedrunning is to go fast then why have any other version allowed? [/quote]

What about console-exclusive glitches ? Loading times ? Other differences like extra cutscenes and features that wastes time (on PC usually). How about PC running at 60 fps, causing the in-game time and other stuff to work totally differently compared to console ?

Also yes, speedrunning is about going fast... but what if you prefer to run the game on a console you knew, and have been used to play on for years ? Did you ever heard of multiple WRs based on versions ?

Also, while PC can be faster (but not all the time), it usually has a lot more problems too (random crashes, FPS dropping because of bad programming, and so on).

Plus, seems like you forgot one MAJOR problem with PC versions: you need a GOOD pc, and not everyone has the same components , this can affect the game, and thus, the runs. One might load faster than another, one might crash more often than another, and so on. Sure, console versions can be slower, but atleast they're more "consistent" in terms of functionnality.

Anyway, one more thing you seem to forget, is that there's multiple categories most of the time, and while one version might be the best for one of them, it does not mean it's the best for all categories (some versions are better for Any% because of a glitch, while some others are better for 100% because of the loading times or other exclusive stuff).

You wouldn't be having this issue if you ran Glover, just saying...

You seem to have a flaw in your first two points in that you're basing this around two sub-communities (TS2, which I'm sure had N64, PS1, and PC separated before, and 102 Dalmations). It seems more you found flaws in a couple of sub-communities, not the entire speedrunning community. Let me list just a few of the games that have different sections for different versions:

• Harry Potter 2 6th gen - PS2 separated from Xbox and GCN, because PS2 has less glitches, and more Prefects that can ruin the night sections
• A Bug's Life
• The Gex series
• Most of the Resident Evil games
• Glover
• Quantum of Solace - PS2 as a separate game altogether, PC and Console separated for the 7th gen version.
• The Italian Job This is a list that contains a range of sub-communities from the small (Italian Job, Quantum of Solace) to the large (Resident Evil).

On another point, like FurryWulfz said, there are drop-down lists to separate platforms and regions - a good example of this is Harry Potter 1 PS1, as the WR holder has the WR for the fastest version, obviously,(NTSC-C(Canada - it's a long story)), 2nd place for the slowest (PAL) and 2nd for a random one (NTSC-J) which you can see when you filter them. One runner solely plays on PAL, which is years slower due to frame-rate and possibly movement, but he's respected as a legend in the community, even though he's bottom of the overall leaderboard.

And finally, like Ankoku said, it's just games (says the guy who just typed a slightly heated few paragraphs). Play them fast with whatever version you have to beat whatever goal you make for yourself, instead of being uptight about fastest versions and WR competition - but if competition is what you enjoy, splash out on the fastest stuff because it'll be worth it for that thrill, and if you can't splash out, try to be competitive with people on the same version. In the end, aren't we all winners for doing something we enjoy with people who enjoy it too? Too cheesy? I'll stop :/

@PurpleSunDeryl

"and if you can't splash out, try to be competitive with people on the same version."

This is exactly my problem. On one's profile there is a list of records. If all platforms are clumped together, it won't matter if you're 1st on the specific platform. It will show you as lesser than you actually are.

I don't see a reason why PC and PS1 should be separated, but I could see why N64 would be different since different token requirements to beat the game. As an official brandonhead I have been told and seen no differences between the gameplay from PS1 to PC. There should be no reason to separate the 2 if the only real difference is loads. Pretty much what I'm trying to say is stop sperging out and just play video game fast!!!

Unless someone looking at another's profile goes on each leaderboard and sees that the runner is only low on the board because of a slower version, then they only know a wrong representation of how good or bad the runner is. But that's just one person who doesn't bother to look at each leaderboard and filter versions. The sub-community of the game, who are the only people that can be good peers to the runner, and more importantly the runner themselves will see the board and know that the runner has beaten the game with a very respectable time considering their version or specs (if they have done a good run). On an added note, at least some of the sub-community would know the differences between versions e.g. Crash 2's emulator vs PS2 FDS, and for PC, while not all games have them yet, loadless timers are available for some of the larger games e.g Mirror's Edge, Portal. It's just a case of each individual sub-community figuring out differences/finding out how to remove loads (there is always the tedious job of going through the video with software that can frame advance for the most accuracy), and it's each sub-community that matters to each game. Anyone who comes in wondering about it can be informed, anyone else who just glances and doesn't look into it doesn't really matter.

@Yoshipro101 The loads matter. You act like they aren't important. In a perfect world, IGT is the standard. Because it doesn't judge the player by the inferior platform. It judges them by their skill. The way it should be in the first place.

@PurpleSunDeryl Ah yes the incredibly cliche'd and utterly pointless mantra "Don't care what other people think". I'm sorry but in the real world words are power. If they didn't have power then there would be no point in you or anyone else posting this thread. You were drawn here by my opinion. This is how opinions can influence people. This is why suicides happen over cyber bullying. Then the bullies themselves come around and blame the victim for "being too soft". How loathsome. So tell me again why I shouldn't care about these misinformed people?

@Battlefan1 What if someone didn't have access to the fastest version? Then they could never submit their run because it wasn't on a specific version. Dude you not supporting your argument very well. If a game only allowed runs of the fastest version then that would push people away from speedrunning severely. Who cares if you can actually achieve the fastest time. If you really want to then go and buy the fastest version of the game and leave the categories be.

how about you run on the fastest version/console and stop crying.

@Lance_ I Never said that I wanted the fastest version to be banned. It seems instead of me not supporting my argument well, you have misunderstood my argument in the first place. The goal of this is that I want different platforms to be compared to their own platform. You want to know what would push people to speed run more? If they could be accurately scored instead of constantly being overshadowed by versions with better loads. The only reason why I said that the fastest version should be the only allowed version is because of what Cyberdemon531 told me. He said that the point of speedrunning is to go fast and I say, which as you have shown to agree, that contradicts with the thought that all versions should be accepted. So the two solutions that I presented in my original post were two solutions to fix the failure in the logic.

1.You agree that the point of speedrunning is to go fast 2.The point of rankings is to show who is the fastest 3.Inferior versions will never be the fastest 4A. All inferior versions must be banned OR 4B. Rankings shouldn't exist

1.You accept that not all versions are equal 2.Rankings only truly matter when the versions are equal -For example in an eating competition, each player is given 10 hotdogs to eat in the fastest time -Now imagine if one player has to wait 5 seconds before eating another hotdog and the other player has to wait 1 second. -How is it fair if they are lumped together?

there isn't a failure in logic here, you're playing video games quickly on the internet. If you care about rankings, pick the fastest version and go. If you don't, then shit what do you even care?

you clearly do seem to care about rankings, so play the fastest versions of your games! Go forth and acquire speed, young one. Like it's clear to me you already know what you care about, but just aren't willing to play ball for some reason? You're making this kinda difficult on yourself for no reason I can work out.

If your objection is purely on sr.c lumping together multiple versions regardless of their speeds, that varies wildly by game, category and is not something you can apply broad strokes to because games are complex and nuanced, as are their communities. If multiple versions are lumped together, but there is one clear fastest version, maybe the community only deems that one really worth running on? If they separate, then they separate and track WRs. It all comes down to what a game's community thinks is best for itself, you can't extrapolate a few games out to the entire speedrunning community because speedrunning is ridiculously varied. Often, in games that lack a good IGT to null version differences, this is just the best solution that exists, you can't track every version without splitting the community really hard for no gain, so it makes sense to just pare it down to a standardised version, this is usually the fastest version of a given game because SPEEDrunning. You seem to be chasing a perfect solution. It doesn't exist. You may rest.

man I hate serious posting it's playing video games fast fer chrissake

e: did you seriously compare someone posting telling you not to care about version differences affecting leaderboard rankings to people committing suicide over cyber-bullying? What exactly went through your head when you wrote that?

@SuccintAndPunchy As it has been said several times in this thread, not everyone has access to the fast version. I wish that I could run TS2 on PC but my PC just isn't that type. Should I spend hundreds of dollars just to get the fastest time? That's absolutely insane.

I'm not asking for a perfect solution. I'm asking for a better ranking system than the one already exists.

i don't think you need to spend hundreds of dollars to get toy story 2 to run on a computer, just a hunch.

There isn't really a better one. This is by and large the most elegant system you can implement for something as complex as this. Leaderboards have drop down menus if you'd like to compare within your own version and if seeing 2nd place on your profile because some guy has a faster run on a faster version really gets to you then...I dunno what to tell you dude, that sounds like a personal problem.

part of the problem seems to be taking speedruns and the rankings on it way more seriously than anyone actually should. Chill a little, it's playing video games fast on the internet, you can make your own pace if you like, but you also have to accept that not everyone is going to bend over backwards to accommodate what you're specifically doing. This is kinda the best most of us can do, if this displeases you, try a game where this isn't a problem because there's plenty of those like do you know how many games there are to run its crazy

There is a better one. Separate the platforms. That's what this entire thing was all about. Imagine how many more people will have the motivation to speed run who can't access the fastest version? You can compete with people on equal footing. This wasn't all about me. What is this about bending over backwards to my specific problem? I doubt that I'm the only one having this problem. But everyone is so content with their flawed system. I'm posing to you an improvement over the norm.

So basically what you are telling me to do is ¤¤¤¤ off and play a game where this isn't a problem? Are you actually pushing me away? I want to bring more people to speedrun and give people more motivation to run.

Why do you have such a problem with accuracy?

I don't see what version differences matter when anyone playing any version of any game can be cheated out of a WR by a dope user

@Ankoku You've made the same mistake as many other have made here. Assuming that I want everything to be 100% accurate. All I want is more accuracy. Why is everyone here so afraid of more accuracy? Honestly what bad will separating the different versions do?