SRC Rules Feedback
4 years ago

^^ And an edit on a non-v board won't require reverification, so "may" is right.

Iowa, USA

@AmoebaUK At that point what difference does it make? The runner is listed as anonymous nor is the video part of the listing. Let it go.

Iowa, USA

@AmoebaUK No, you seem to miss the point. They can still list a time without a runner or video on the board, that time is not tied to anything whatsoever on the leaderboard. Is it stupid? Yes, but it's considered fine. This is a different issue with them not following their own ruleset and that's something that should be taken up with some of the other mods but I assume because the mods may had reviewed that particular time before they might consider it still fine to list even though its still kinda stupid.

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Bulgaria

Why? Because your runs are clearly extremely relevant and affect the categories they were in. If there is no legitimate reason beyond yet another bs speedrunning squabble I too would be annoyed that you want to remove them. I've had to deal with this horse shit multiple times now, people go all emo and delete everything then resubmit after a few months when their brain comes back, stop it. Just talk it out like normal people.

Bulgaria

This is pretty much exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Not the way to deal with this. If they just list a time without a name and a video that still stresses you out? If they remove it they are still gonna talk about it, unavoidable. You can't remove yourself from the game's history and you shouldn't, just a poor way to handle this. On top of that it's just a dick move to the community. Leaderboard becomes inaccurate, strats/routing/execution of a top run become hidden. Lame.

Iowa, USA

Well, nonetheless we aren't going to go marching into a games leaderboard and remove a time that has no video/runner attached to it when the mods are obviously very aware of who/what exactly caused that time to get on the board. Even if that time was removed, as Talic said you are never going to stop them from talking about that time, ever and people will always ask about it as well and mods will always keep talking about it, it makes no difference right now if that time alone was removed from the board.

As it stands right now, aside of the mods not really listening to their own ruleset they aren't doing anything wrong. The time on the board could be anyones, could be mine as far as anyone knows, if you don't like it then toughen up about it and walk away as you have been or you could always reinstate that empty slot with your video of that run and re-attach things which if you ever did change your mind I highly doubt the mods on the board would ever reject it.

There's no gray area here, it is what it is presented as and we still follow the sites rules regarding these cases.

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Iowa, USA

You don't get the final say because there is literally nothing listed on the leaderboard anymore aside of a single time that again could belong to anyone, as much as you don't want to admit this, there is no actual issue here.

Valhalla

I mean if the run isn't listed with your vod, or your name, I don't see the issue. Just don't click on the leaderboard. You can't delete the memory of your run's existence from someone's mind. You might not agree with their solution, but who cares? Just move on.

Also, it's my PB anyways. I just asked them to list it as anonymous. I don't appreciate you trying to take credit for it.

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England

Amoeba you're my boy but I also don't see what the issue is if at this point there's no actual identifying information on the leaderboard. I personally fall more on the side of keeping the leaderboard data intact where reasonably possible, but I get that in specific cases a runner might have a legitimate reason to not want their information on the board. Maybe they have a real reason for not wanting their name/video to be present. In this case, neither are present and I don't think you can ask any more of the staff.

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"The following rules will be strictly enforced: • Do not list a player's runs on a leaderboard if they explicitly do not want it listed."

Maybe you want to reword that, staff.

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United States

"• Do not list a player's runs on a leaderboard if they explicitly do not want it listed."

Note that it doesn't say "times" and that's what's being listed.

"• If a player does not want their top time listed, it is acceptable to just not list the top time. It is also acceptable to list a top time with the username "Anonymous" and no video linked. An anonymized reuploaded video may be used only with the explicit permission of the player."

Entirely within the rules.

An addendum: Part of what makes the internet a good thing is you being able to see stuff from everyone across the globe. There is a downside to that. That also means that anything you put out there is out there forever, as someone else has seen it and may share it in the future. So ultimately, if you don't want something on the internet, then the best course of action is to never put it on the internet to begin with, because once it's out there, it's going to stay out there in some form forever.

The rules, as they are written, leave little room for interpretation. "The following rules will be strictly enforced: Do not list a player's runs on a leaderboard if they explicitly do not want it listed."

But the runs are listed, even though the player explicitly does not want them listed. What happened to the "strict enforcement" promised by the rules? We have 3 site staff who are all applying a different interpretation to what's very clearly worded.

So change it. This is the rules feedback thread and we had 3 different staff come fill up the forum page with debate over the technicality that the runs aren't "runs" if there's no name on them. I'm not trying to get the rule changed, hell I agree with it and I have applied it to my own boards. I'm trying to make the wording clear. This is a no-brainer.

I suggest "Do not list any of a player's personal data on a leaderboard if they explicitly do not want it listed."

Can full mods even edit the rules page? Why are they all piling on trying to shut down a simple request for clarification?

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Iowa, USA

@6oliath Can't you find something better to do. I mean the rules leave little to no room for interpretation on purpose.

Like, there is no debate runner and video is removed from the leaderboard, you don't legally own the time itself as people for some reason think they do. If people want to track that, let them because at the end of the day it solves both issues.

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New York, USA

I'd like to suggest we consider changing the "21 days" rule to "121 days" instead. That'll give the Mega Man X moderators a few more weeks to ignore all the runs sitting in queue without having to worry about being labeled as inactive. Someone's gotta look out for these guys. Thoughts?

United States

@CriscoWild thats crazy, we should not have to have our runs in the queue for more than 4 months before we can report mods for inactivity. now i do agree in some cases for more popular games that could be maybe extended but i dont see it being neccessary for all that would do is encourage laziness. It should not take 4 months for the mods to verify runs either, even for a game as popular as mega man x im sorry

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Canada

@CriscoWild I know you're annoyed with how the Mega Man situation is being handled (and understandably so), but stirring the pot like this really doesn't help anybody.

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New Hampshire, USA

I don’t really think it’s about Mega Man, necessarily. If a board exists on SRC, it should be moderated within a timely fashion. For the case of Mega Man X, the board exists, unlike in the Classic Series that links you to MMLB. If a person is not in the know about MMLB and they submit a run to SRC then it should get verified in a timely manner like any other run. My opinion is that either the board should be removed with the same message/link as with Classic Mega or it should be moderated under the same criteria as any other game.

Canada

@HandsomeJack_ass It is entirely about Mega Man. There's a lot of information about that situation that's being conveniently left out here, and this isn't the right place to talk about it so I'm not going to get into it.

New Hampshire, USA

@ShikenNuggets first, your picture is making me hungry for some nuggies. Second. I agree, I don’t want to get into the MMLB vs SRC topic here. That’s up to those admins to work things out and I don’t really want to get involved. That being said, I stick to my position that if a board DOES exist on SRC, it should be moderated. I don’t really see how there could be an argument against that.

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Canada

[quote=HandsomeJack_ass]if a board DOES exist on SRC, it should be moderated. I don’t really see how there could be an argument against that[/quote]

No one is arguing against that.

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