Dates' Moving Two Crates Has Been Solved
6 years ago
South Holland, Netherlands

Going faster using third party tools SeemsGood

New South Wales, Australia

That would define what makes a good speedrun in terms of watchability Reloe. I don't think the rules are meant to revolve around making a speedrun more appealing to viewers, although I am not saying that isn't a thing worth considering.

As apparently voting is no longer allowed....and I am not going to let Toriks be a dictator and simply make up his own rules on a whim, I doubt anything will come of this discussion. If the rules are left as they are, there is no rule that prevents this strategy.

Perhaps I was wrong to think this would not be an issue initially. Enforcing a rule of 'no changes to fps limiter' is next to impossible unless we force people to use an fps counter on screen. This was already discussed previously and people seemed against it. In practice, opening/altering third party programs to tank your fps and altering an fps limiter are not different. Having a preference of one over the other seems unjustified.

A discussion of banning the strategy or not would have been better. Whether or not a person uses the strategy is clear and obvious and does not require any form of overlay.

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New South Wales, Australia

I will think on it when I am better, still pretty sick unfortunately. Maybe I just won't do the strat and we can keep the rules the way they are. I doubt anyone else will bother with it.

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Germany

well yea ofc its about going fast, but if it wasn't for viewing experience a community wouldn't really grow, would it? If its about going fast then why do we have a arbitrary category like classic%? I wasn't around when that categry was made but I'd assume it was created because the other categories are garbage compared to how you could run it. No one wants to see nor run a game where you kill yourself three times in a row, one hundred times in a row. I wouldn't want to run a game where I have to do stupid tricks like limiting my fps for a minute to do a certain skip.

Would it be an option to only allow this in everything but classic%?

California, USA

[quote=Reloe]if it wasn't for viewing experience a community wouldn't really grow, would it?[/quote] Sure it would. It just wouldn't include viewers only interested in GTA 5 the game. It would lean towards viewers interested in GTA 5 the speedrun.

[quote]If its about going fast then why do we have a arbitrary category like classic%?[/quote] Classic% doesn't allow you to use taxis due to earlier GTAs not enabling them. The skill of driving is replaced with the RNG of taxi spawning.

[quote]No one wants to see nor run a game where you kill yourself three times in a row, one hundred times in a row.[/quote] That IS the true Any%, but requires 0 skill at all, which is why it's not taken seriously.

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Germany

My point was that we have classic% because people wanted to have a more enjoyable category than NMS, which is why we can make rules in that category how we "want" them. I know where the naming came from.

New Zealand

What is the third party tool used to limit frame rate currently? Is it possible to limit frame rate naturally in-game? I think all third party tools should be banned (iFruit isn't third party because its officially made by Rockstar for this game, we've been over this before).

New South Wales, Australia

"why do we have a arbitrary category like classic%" Its a funner run to do.

"Using any third party tool to give you an advantage during the run shouldn't ever be a thing" In an ideal world there would be no advantages given from hardware or software. This however is not the path we have gone down with previous decisions due to forseen difficulties and how long the run has existed without these constraints. This strategy could be done by Dates back in the day and it did give him a timesave over me and Toriks. Coincidently, his hardware being worse actually gives him an advantage in his regard.

"Is it possible to limit frame rate naturally in-game?" Programs, and even mods, are sometimes allowed if they just exist to stabilize the game on your system. If they were not allowed, some systems could not run the game or future systems may not be able to run it at all. Clearly what programs would be allowed would be done on a case by case basis. Currently, I have nothing against fps limiters.

Ultimately, without the ability to modify one's FPS, who gains a timesave here is partly hardware dependent. I do not agree there is a difference between changing an fps limiter and simply opening another copy of OBS and pressing 'record' to lower your fps.

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The difference between external frame limiters and having software use your cpu/gpu is that one of them hacks the game rendering in the GPU driver and the other doesn't

New South Wales, Australia

I meant the difference in method isn't meaningful because we are already using fps-limiters. There is no difference in effect. It would be quite different if FPS-Limiters were already against the rules, or at least not in use.

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Germany

if classic% is the funner run to do, then don't include stupid things like this into the category, thats my logic atleast. I get the problem that you could just open other programs to fuck your fps, in that case the strat would need to be banned.

Sweden

Classic is not the same as "Glitchless".

Germany

then why do we exclude save warping and hangout strats?

save warping is clearly a glitch and we decided against it, so we should discuss about this being excluded in classic%

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I have some friends that if they open YouTube, the FPS are reduced.

We don't necessarily need to use a tier software to lower our FPS.

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