Quality Standards?
6 years ago
United Kingdom

Yes, but it evolved to that point over years and years of discovery. That's not even relevant to the point being discussed, though. It was an off-the-cuff example of a run that is short in the extreme (literally 0 time), to counter-point the idea that just because a game is short it isn't worthy of anyone's time (even if actually, that example actually isn't worthy of anyone's time anymore because it's actually been mathematically solved, but it was relevant for years as it dropped down from 15 minutes to less than 2, eventually to 0).

edit: Messages are apparently not a thing here. If you get a chance could you clarify a rule over in Clock Tower 3 for me seeing as you're a mod. Would really appreciate :) Ta!

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United States

Maybe it'd be less ambiguous if games currently on the site that wouldn't be accepted as new games were relegated to a different area, possibly frozen, or removed from the site. Part of the confusion for this game was that similar games of similar quality exist here. The existence of those leaderboards will perpetuate the issue. I'd start with those games that don't have any runs lingering now for years that would fail to meet the current quality standards.

@Timmiluvs: Every game boils down to who can do something the fastest. That's a poor argument. I think the actual argument against VNs is that there's no accuracy or timing necessary for the inputs. Obscurity is a bad argument against creating a leader board, and most games will start off with a single runner. The creation of a leader board could encourage people that don't want to mod a game to finally submit their times or start running in the first place. How short is too short? I think there's another poor measurement for acceptable speedrunning leader boards. As a modern game example, Gone Home's any% category's top 70 runs are under a minute.

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Valhalla

tl;dr

SRC isn't preventing you from speedrunning. speedrunning has existed before SRC.

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Antarctica

I think you missed the entire point of everything I said so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

This topic comes up like once a week, I don’t know how anyone can explain the reasoning behind this any clearer. Right now, everything regarding quality is up to the discretion of site admins just like everything else on the site.

England

Basically people ruined it for everyone else by submitting the absolute bare minimum possible to get free "WRs" in crappy flash games.

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Scotland

Personally looking at ur run it just reminds me of a vn lots of button mashing not much else (to me personally). But as stated before if you want it to have a leader board so much make one on google sheets or something, link it to ur profile post in the fourm of the other blues clues game or something if they let u, to spread the word. :D

Nothing stops a person from running a game if its not on src. :) I still run Kira kira pop princess (which wasn't requested yet but I am sure it would be rejected) and I have run trying to beat my time if only for me. I find it fun was thinking of uploading one to youtube soon :D

United Kingdom

"This topic comes up like once a week, I don’t know how anyone can explain the reasoning behind this any clearer. Right now, everything regarding quality is up to the discretion of site admins just like everything else on the site."

You can't think of any way in which these rules could be made any clearer?

That's completely absurd. It can be made leagues clearer than it is currently. Currently there's nothing in the rules that anybody can even use to hint at what is and isn't suitable. It really wouldn't be hard to add even a couple lines to those rules. Even "Right now, everything regarding quality is up to the discretion of site admins" isn't even in the submission page. The word quality literally isn't even on the submissions page. So yes, you're gonna get these threads continuously until there is clearer explanation than no explanation whatsoever at the point of submission.

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Antarctica

I literally said in my first post that the rules should be posted somewhere for clarity.

[quote=Timmiluvs]I don’t know if these standards are published anywhere (if not, they should be)[/quote]

That first quote you took was me talking about this thread - people explained multiple times here what is considered “low quality” and yet somehow people in this thread still claim to not know. Anyone reading this thread should know what will get rejected.

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England

"You can't think of any way in which these rules could be made any clearer?

That's completely absurd. It can be made leagues clearer than it is currently."

Considering you unironically tried to compare SM64 to games that don't meet the quality standard, I'm not sure there'd be much point in making it clearer.

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United States

"I think you missed the entire point of everything I said so ¯_(ツ)_/¯" @Timmiluvs

I don't think I missed your other points. I agree with you on everything I didn't touch upon. I'm not sure why you decided to be so dismissive; is this not a forum to discuss ideas? I'll just assume you can't defend/expand on your opinions, or don't care to. If you don't care though, why are you here?

Ireland

Can we stop with the personal attacks keep to the topic. The mods decide and their decision should be enough for anyone. Again no-one is stopping anyone from running any game. There are places you can make a website for a game for free or even a spreadsheet online will suffice for a leaderboard for any game. I am a mod of a really short game that would probably be rejected now, if they decide to remove it ah well I'm not going to piss and moan about it I will just make a board for it myself cause I enjoy the game. Just because the mods reject a game to be added is not the end of the world.

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Antarctica

@ZenicReverie well okay then, since you insist.

You missed the points because you used Gone Home as an example game that violates the quality standards despite the fact it was added 2 years before those standards ever existed. It’s already been made clear that yes, there are short games on here that might not get passed the proof standards now, but they were added years ago when no measures when in place.

All games will start with one runner yes, but for all of these short dime a dozen type games, it’s very unlikely they’ll ever get more than that 1 runner (like myself and others have said, we’ve seen this already before these standards were considered). Obscurity alone doesn’t always lead to rejection, but when the obscure game is a point and click game or is only a minute long, that has a pretty good chance of being turned down.

Finally, yes, every game boils down who can go the fastest, but for VNs, it’s literally just who can point and click the fastes which isn’t really much gameplay at all. There’s a difference between going fast with gameplay that’s only a point and click and something more complex then that. Plus, this all goes back to what Liv said a few posts up.

Just like Komrade and others have said, so many communities have started on their own sites or Google Docs or w/e. If people are really passionate about these games, someone just has to create their own LB grow their community from there. Yes this site helps with that, but nothing stops someone from doing that for a game they like to run.

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Hi ! Oh ! The discussion has changed since I left. I'm a little lost in all this. I'll let you finish that between you, I think. But I will come back from time to time to see how it is. See you soon. ^^

United States

@Timmiluvs

Gone Home was an example of a short speedrun of close times with an active community that counters your statement: "Short runs that are barely a couple minutes are rejected for a similar reason that they become uncompetitive fast since there isn’t much gameplay or routing involved in them. " The fact that it's two years old and still getting new records adds to my point.

Obscurity as a measure makes the assumption that a community won't ever come around due to the existence of the leader board. It's an assumption I wouldn't want to make.

I'm not arguing about the validity of VNs as speedruns. I'm arguing about your word choice. It's not about who can click fastest that makes a VN speedrun uninteresting, it's the lack of complexity (accuracy/timing) in clicking. A point and click adventure game is at least a step above VNs because there's a need to move the cursor to specific screen areas and possibly some routing decisions.

It's difficulty to find communities, or even know about their general existence without a central place to come together. SRC could be that central location; it's at least the closest thing today.

Also, I apologize for the slight on your ability. I was just returning the favor.

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