Pistol Only

So not damage. thanks.

Seems this category is on kybosh?

England

Seems so and idk why, it has people who want to run it, it has a successful run completed in a competitive time but no board :/

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Would guess because the board would be difficult to define on difficulties beyond standard. It seems all difficulties within a category must have the same rules.

The unlimited handgun is weaker than unupgraded start handgun so thats a bummer. Or the DA changes due to it being unlimited to make it seem that way.

I will just keep messing around on assisted i guess.

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California, USA

The only run posted in this entire thread is Speedidols 1:20 console time from over a month ago. Saying "it has people who want to run it" and that "it has a successful run completed in a competitive time" is just silly. Clearly people want to run it, but do they only want to run it when a board has been made for it? Where are the other completed Handgun Only runs? What about other difficulties? What about an actual formed ruleset? How in the world is Speedidols time a "competitive time" when literally nobody else has posted their run here?

Knife Only runners came forth with their research, their videos, their completed runs, and made their place on the leaderboard. Handgun Only runners have yet to show the same dedication. We're waiting on you, you're not waiting on us.

RezurrectJohn likes this
Ontario, Canada

@WhamBam_TV @kniferun I would think just to keep it easy make only 2 separate rulesets for difficulties. Assisted/Standard NG only Handgun (no burst if not needed) and Make Hardcore plus be NG+ Infinite Handgun/Coins etc.

So no interest on either side. Thats cool.

England

Because when I routed it I had an estimate in mind for the fastest possible time, estimated at around 1:05 to 1:10 at most optimal, then someone posts a video 10-15mins off that time so of course I’m going to consider that a competitive time. And if you insist on it needing to compete against other runs, well gosh darn he only took 40mins off my run....

Rules? It’s as simple as standard handgun + upgrades, G18 is allowed if you want it (technically it has to be legal since it’s the pistol Carlos uses) that’s it

If you want to run hardcore or higher then it becomes NG+ since you need the shop items, simply because there is a lack of ammo in higher difficulties. I don’t think there’s any need to limit what shop items you can use, the only obvious bans would be RL, AR, Raiden (more akin to a magnum than a pistol imo).

California, USA

Before Kniferun simply saying "Seems this category is on kybosh?" there wasn't a single post here in 25 days... almost an entire month of absolutely no interest in anyone actually DOING a run of Handgun Only and posting it here. You can't just speak for an entire community and leaderboard because you "estimated the fastest possible time". If the community actually shows some interest and work towards the category, instead of just wanting it to be added, THEN we'll work on adding it.

England

Well I don’t know about anyone else, but I figured since we had completed runs, rules that have been discussed and agreed on that it was simply a case of waiting for a leaderboard to submit to and since knife only had not long gone up on the board since then I thought ok this seems like a long process I’ll just wait patiently.

There’s like 6 pages here of discussion on pistol only, if that’s not the community working for it idk what is.

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Washington, USA

Where are the completed runs? Unless I missed something Speedidol is the only one here to post a run. Also like Maxy said, the last post before this thread became active again was 25 days ago, almost a month. I can't speak for the other mods, but I have only had one person reach out to me about HG only.

I'm not apposed to it becoming a category, I ran RE2R HG only quite a bit and ran it in a marathon. If there really is enough people interested, they need to do runs and record them, not just theorize.

Imagine if everyone on the leader board was forum users?

I originally asked because maybe there was hidden discussions going on about this category.

Knife only wasnt discussed publically. It just randomly appeared.

The knife only discussion seems to have been on making the run easier and less of a bummer. Discussions how to break traditional low%/knife only rules. RE4 is hell to determine LOW%. RE3R Is extremely simple. Base knife and finger used only. Nothing to discuss.

The run is supposed to be challenging. Challenge run done ASAP. RE2R really pampered runners.

Anyways i got my answer. No hidden discussion was taking place.

DIABLERIE likes this
California, USA

Funny how you constantly complain about Knife Only so much, even outside of a Knife Only thread. Seeing as it's an arbitrary speedrun category, having rules to make it not a completely ass category was agreed upon between knife only runners. Most of them like it, and we already have quite a few people giving it a shot. Some of that wasn't in this forum, before the category was added, but some of it was after the addition to the board. Funny how you say there's "nothing to discuss", but there clearly is when most people agree on the category rules, and you're just over here complaining about it for half of your forum posts as of late. If you're such a purist, where's YOUR 'true knife only' run?

Seeing as this is just complaining it hasn't been added, rather than actually showing people have done runs, it's obviously not going to be taken seriously. Two runs have been done... TWO. Prove that there are at least a handful of runners who are interested in handgun only outside of saying "yeah, add it!" because this leaderboard doesn't need something like Handgun Only if there are only going to be a couple of people on the board between two versions and multiple difficulties. You should be running Handgun Only if you believe in it so much, instead of complaining it's not on the board.

To be fair, outside of assisted, knife only has 2 runs max per difficulty. Many of the original wave of submitted/verified runs were completed with no handgun on nemmy 4. Im not the only one that knows what low%/knife only means. Of course if BS can be avoided, people would like avoiding it.

If handgun only has no interest, so be it. Its a difficult category to determine anyways. Assisted is the only difficulty you can complete with g18/g19 without using deaths to manip DA to have enough ammo. Each difficulty will needs its own rules/allowances.

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Texas, USA

Knife only with the regular knife is extremely toxic. Nemmy 2 is about 20 minutes long and Nemmy 3 is about 20 minutes long as well (On Standard). That alone will make the category extremely dead cause no one wants to fight Nemesis for that long. That's why the rules were made exactly what they are for knife only. It keeps the category alive and people running it. As for Nemmy 4 without using any weapons it takes 7-8 minutes on Standard, Hardcore takes ~12 minutes, Nightmare takes AT LEAST 20 minutes, and I don't even want to talk about Inferno. NO ONE WILL RUN THE CATEGORY. Why would you want that? The hot dogger isn't even that crazy of an exploit either for knife only. The boss fights are lowered in time to ~5-7 minute boss fights which are still lengthy and challenging. If the rules were changed to regular knife and no pistol against final Nemmy, knife only is dead.

Sorry for posting this on this thread.

Jadusable2 likes this
Finland

decided to a warmup testrun with mup on assisted. No resets like normally i would have done like everyone else. I died to hunters on lab and just continued. Difficult to determine should we use mup on every difficulty or only hc to inferno or what.

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All depends if each difficulty can have its own rules and allowances. Assisted can be completed without upgrades with the g19. While standard cant be completed without upgrades or DA manipulation through deaths. Hardcore can be completed with samurais edge no other shop items. Beyond that I haven't tested much.

Havent really used the mup because it feels like a unlimited version of the unupgraded g19.

Also recently Ive been thinking of SpeedIdols original run using the MAG. Which I was originally against, but feel differently now. I havent really tested that either though. The MAG is technically a handgun, so it should be considered at least. Possibly only for runs hardcore+.

Washington, USA

So I have done a few runs of HG only. Assisted is rather easy, upgrades make it a breeze but not necessary if nemmy doesn't get near a barrel like he did for me a few times. The only sketchy part is Carlos defense section, since you have a limited amount of ammo.

I'm open to the magnum being used since it technically falls into the handgun family. I feel like it's only necessary for hardcore and beyond, even then unless it's impossible to do without it might not be worth getting.

I'm not sure there is enough ammo in the game to do it without the unlimited HG on hardcore and up. It might be possible with the ammo reloader, has anyone tested this?

RezurrectJohn likes this

upgrades for g19 seems to be slower compared to not getting them on assisted.

For defense with Carlos I usually shoot traps until the first hunter appears even on assisted.

I guess its fine to manipulate DA with deaths, but I would even say Standard should allow MAG as well. It definitely would compete with the time used to purposely die to lower DA.

My current run with the mup is telling me its much weaker than the unupgraded g19. Or the DA is higher. Bummer of a gun.

Washington, USA

For the magnum it's not going to be only allowed on certain difficulties. Either it will be allowed or not. I say allow since I believe on anything short of hardcore it's a waste of time to grab.

I just don't think there is enough gunpowder in the game to make enough ammo to finish on hardcore or higher. It might be possible on hardcore but someone better at the game then me will need to try lol. I don't really see people running HG only on anything higher than hardcore anyways.

As for the traps, do you just shoot them over and over till the hunter shows up and it doesn't hold the section up?