#Hey I put together the initial leaderboard and theme. Currently all the players settings and cores are mixed together, because the amount of runs is very low. I'll separate them when there are more runs and people want that.

I've added 327 as a verifier, because in the past he has noticed things in runs that others haven't. Contact me if you wish to help with run verification.

#Categories and rules There's a lot to discuss. Post your ideas here and we'll go from there.

#Questions I'm looking answers to How to handle shared stash tabs? Are we going to create separate NG+ categories where using items from stash is allowed? Might be good to call it "Twinked" since that's how it was called when Ryu started it. For example "Twinked Baal" and "Twinked Hell Baal".

How to handle the loads? Time without loads for LiveSplit is being worked on and will be available soon. I think for D2R there is no fair alternative. The load times are long and vary a lot depending on the system.

One thing that complicates time without loads timer is the fact that you can control your character during the loading screen. What would be a fair solution to this problem? We run into an issue where a longer load gives an advantage, because the runner can move further while the timer is paused.

Should the timer be paused during cinematics? Currently the timer pausing script that Wafu built also pauses during cinematics. It would take extra work to fix this. Would you rather have timer be paused during them or not? I would personally be fine with timer being paused during cinematics. It would give a fair resting point for all runners. It's good for our health.

Are we going to create separate NG+ categories where using items from stash is allowed? Might be good to call it "Twinked" since that's how it was called when Ryu started it. For example "Twinked Baal" and "Twinked Hell Baal".```
I like the consistency in the NG+ convention but naming the category is sort of whatever. Handling how you get the items is probably the bigger issue. Will you have to submit your character save? Is there a way to view the character save like on d2 legacy with hero editor? There are funny things you can do to the character save that are easy to hide while playing normally.

```How to handle the loads?
Time without loads for LiveSplit is being worked on and will be available soon. I think for D2R there is no fair alternative. The load times are long and vary a lot depending on the system.
One thing that complicates time without loads timer is the fact that you can control your character during the loading screen. What would be a fair solution to this problem? We run into an issue where a longer load gives an advantage, because the runner can move further while the timer is paused.```
I would not be surprised if moving while in a loading screen is changed at some point. If it is not changed however giving a tiny advantage to those with older hardware probably would offset the use of higher resolution others get from superior hardware. I can easily see this becoming another -ns debate so if others with top of the line hardware could comment that would be welcome. 

```Should the timer be paused during cinematics?
Currently the timer pausing script that Wafu built also pauses during cinematics. It would take extra work to fix this. Would you rather have timer be paused during them or not? I would personally be fine with timer being paused during cinematics. It would give a fair resting point for all runners. It's good for our health.```
Yes BIG yes to this. Especially if you have to do funky things to skip the cinematics anyway. Seeing world records or big pbs fail due to fatigue gets annoying.

1. Personally, I believe that just because the shared stash tabs exist, there should be a category that allows their usage rather than completely banning the game's feature, so yeah, I can absolutely see "Twinked" category here.

2. I personally didn't notice this because my loads are so fast. As for me, I believe we should advise people to just not click during the loads. In other case, we could choose to resume the timer whenever we detect the player's movement (if we found out how)

3. Personally, I don't really mind either option, but I don't really agree with people taking actual breaks during their run.

The only really pressing issue to me is separating P1/PX/P8 into their own separate categories much like how the Diablo 2 leaderboards are. This is not an issue of "Diablo 2 did it thus so should Resurrected", but rather that 1) they're disparate enough to warrant separating and 2) having 3 settings + SC/HC will make the leaderboard a clusterfuck to view and filter if it's all on one page. Speaking of SC/HC, I would personally also like to see them be separate, but I am more open to having this be a variable if most people don't think it's necessary. Player settings however I feel far more strongly about.

World records for X/1/8 are tracked separately already: https://www.speedrun.com/d2r/guide/a1h51 and I'll separate the leaderboards when there are more runs. Currently it would just split them into more empty filters.

When keeping track of WR history for LoD then it was really difficult to keep track of SC/HC. In the end when community was putting together videos about the topic then SC/HC was mixed anyway. Currently SC/HC will be competing for the same record. It's the best way to limit categories from reaching crazy numbers. I'd personally like to keep players settings mixed too, but I guess we won't be able to agree on that one.

I don't know, when two of the settings can't compete with the fastest one it feels unfair to those of us who have no interest in running the latter. Sure, you can argue that filters and separate tracking fixes that, but it's far from being the same thing as seeing your name on the actual leaderboard. Keeping it mixed until more runs get submitted is an absolutely salient and valid point however, and I support it, and we could wait with having this discussion until then. To expand on my second point though, I'd like to point out that the LoD leaderboards at one point in time had all classes in one category and it quickly becomes a mess that serves nobody. If nothing else, I would at least recommend taking this into consideration before coming to a decision either way.

I think mixed SC/HC makes sense at the start of records, but keeping track of the statistics at the same time can help if we want to split it later. One thing I have in mind is should we be tracking version/patch reference as well? I hear there was a hotfix to stop cold mastery breaking cold immunes in a recent patch, which could impact some times (I don't see your HC Hell runs on the leaderboard @Indrek, but this would potentially have had an impact).

Not that there is currently a way to change the patch you're playing in, but it's prevalent in other communities and might come up in the future. D2LOD just had the habit of making the game easier with every patch, so this was never really a big deal because the optimal patch to run on was always the most recent. I wouldn't put it as a "category" (D2 has a lot of these already), but perhaps something to include. Food for thought.

Question. LiveSplit locks up/crashes whenever Diablo II: Resurrection is running. When Diablo II is closed, LiveSplit frees up again. Any information on what causes this, or did I do something wrong?

Any information appreciated.

Patch 1.03 broke LiveSplit. Need to deactivate load removal for D2R until it's fixed. I'll post here when it's fixed: https://www.speedrun.com/d2r/thread/t0ujo

I agree with the fact that p1/pX/p8 should be splits on 3 categories because you can't beat pX time with p8 . I don't mind mixing SC and HC since it's doesn't change the speed, but i'ld like to have 2 runs shown on the leaderboard if i run SC & HC on the same category (but i don't think that possible). I'm okay with twinked categories in secondary leaderboard and also maybe we can go for a "slash & stash" category like the race ryu organised

Currently it's already setup in a way where p1/px/p8 and hc/sc are both shown if you have ran both. They don't obsolete each other. I'd really like to keep things in the same leaderboard as much as possible to avoid the data getting messed up and unmanageable.

I'd like to avoid this from happening: https://www.speedrun.com/d2lod/gamestats

See, I get where you're coming from Indrek. Diablo 2 as a game will always be a clusterfuck of categories because of how classes and difficulties work, and wanting to keep it manageable is a great goal, especially with how dedicated you seem to be about recording the history of the community and the game (Something I find genuinely admirable, kudos!). But you have to look at it this way, too: as the leaderboard grows, any runs that aren't done in PX will be pushed further and further down the leaderboard without filtering, and like it or not, not being able to easily see your progress or relative position on the board WILL inevitably lead to a lower quality and quantity of competition for those other player settings because of both lack of exposure and motivation. And having 3 separate settings plus SC/HC on one single leaderboard is still going to become a huge mess to sort through, especially for the people who just like to casually scroll through leaderboards and watch whatever. I don't have answers for the best course of action going forward, but I do strongly still believe that at least P1 and PX should be separated.

P1/P8 is just PX change my mind.

But nah in all seriousness, I see where you're coming from. But this organization actually gives room for the filters section to be used the way it was intended to be used. The only reason it doesn't seem appealing at the moment is due to the fact that it hasn't been able to be used properly by the original category. I guess the only argument for everything being on the same board would be that individual profiles display incorrect ranking/placement since there is no filter in consideration there. I'm not 100% sure on what the best action is going forward either, but I think a lot of the want/need for separation comes from the whole "that's how it's always been" with the original D2 speedrun category.

@sanzeau I believe that is actually possible. You could also filter the hardcore runs if you wanted to see only those.

@Wafu indeed didn't even see the button filter x) thanks