I feel like the biggest problem I have with the front news page is that the news area being so big means that the "Most Recent Runs" area can only show so many runs. This area was one of my favorite to browse - it's how I found new games and even just found cool runs to watch. The fact that right now it's only displaying my followed games is honestly not something I'm a fan of.
You know, I don't really care about how the front page looks, but it feels like a slap in the face when 90% of the stuff in the feedback thread never gets addressed, mainly regarding bug fixes, increased leaderboard moderation tools, more options to support a wider community, bug fixes again, etc, and instead we get an okay-redesign that nobody asked for. Did we really need this over something like leaderboard translation options?
I agree with @diggity The site's Feedback thread barely even gets looked at or answered by any of site team, (specifically elo as they control the site, full+content staff are doing great <3) there are so many bugs in the thread that rather than fixing, they decide to roll out a unnecessary redesign rather than fix the sites actual performance first.
Seriously, who the hell wanted this redesign? Fix the bugs plaguing your site before you do this shit, Elo.
The smaller "recent runs" section is most likely temporary. If you take a look at the html you can see that the class of that table has changed to "old-leaderboard". Imo that is suggesting that they are working on a new way to display this part of the frontpage
I think that was long overdue anyway, the layout for the recent runs is bad enough that, just like @10, i made a stylish CSS to fix it. I'll have to redo that since they changed a lot of stuff but i'm glad to see that they are working on it
I dont really like it,less runs are shown on my front page and it just does look weird
I feel like the news tab could have been summarized into one single box on top maybe, with the ability to adjust the size of it. Interestingly, on mobile the news section is at the bottom of the frontpage instead.
This is a mess. Really. Also, on mobile the "latest tweets" part is so big on smaller screens, that you can just barely scroll back up as it covers the entire screen.
Thank god, im not the only one. Please add more latest runs, you can add pages or something. Or improve search that can show all latest added runs.
@tafyudirda The reason you're seeing so few latest runs is because there is a new feature for the Frontpage settings for your account called Maximum # of runs shown (In addition to the already existing Minimum # of runs shown), and it's set to 10 by default. You can change this maximum to as high as 40 by going to your settings and selecting the Front Page tab
In general, I like it, but there are a number of specifics that I don't like. The entire Latest Runs section needs to be zoomed in. The news sidebar can get smaller to accommodate the larger Runs section while still maintaining its current design.
I'm fine with the fonts used for both titles and content, but again it needs to get bigger in the Latest Runs section.
I can see the design being applied to the Forums pretty well, but I'm not so sure about the Leaderboards and other tabbed pages.
I honestly really like the new home page, sure the opinions section takes up a bit too much room, but it still looks nice and it still makes sense where everything is.
Also going off of what @Kai. and @diggity had mentioned, ELO Does still go over the feedback thread and most other threads on the site (mainly stickies) However they do not respond as often, then move the suggestions and feedback to the background team that works on the site to get some stuff moving as quickly and efficiently as possible. But like most things, updates take time to make and to fix all the bugs out.
If that is the case, why do I feel like I never see any of them actually get addressed?
[quote=DarQ_Massacres]Also going off of what Kai. and diggity had mentioned, ELO Does still go over the feedback thread and most other threads on the site (mainly stickies) However they do not respond as often, then move the suggestions and feedback to the background team that works on the site to get some stuff moving as quickly and efficiently as possible. But like most things, updates take time to make and to fix all the bugs out.[/quote] I'm not going to put words in the mouths of either of those two users, but I feel like part of the issue here is the impression being given off by updates like this.
One of the main issues constantly echoed on the site under the old ownership was a lack of transparency about the status of bugs and features. As a user, it can be upsetting to be told to post feedback or bugs and then never see those bugs or that feedback acknowledged in the slightest. That upsetting feeling is compounded when, instead of addressing any of those features/bugs, completely separate updates come out that have nothing to do with what most users are asking for (this is made worse when that update seems to be rather panned by at least the users vocal enough to use these forums). It's great that Elo looks at and takes note of the feedback and bugs, but that doesn't change the fact that to most users, those threads seem like black holes where their posts are never acknowledged or mentioned ever again. What you just posted is the same thing people have been hearing on this site for years - "Your feedback and bugs have been noted and people are working on them in the background, we'll have an update soon on them". The problem is that, over the years, that sentence hasn't actually led to any meaningful change on a majority of those issues. No updates are never given, and very few features/bugs are actually fixed unless they are huge.
Granted, the previous site was run by volunteers so it's completely understandable that features weren't released as quickly as possible, and it's also understandable that Elo is doing their best coming into this site after the acquisition and all of the challenges I'm sure they're facing with doing new development on it. The work of everyone is always appreciated, but my complaint, which is probably shared by others, are about the impression being given off on the site right now. That impression is not good. Elo has been extremely silent since their acquisition of the site, posting very little information about anything (although that news bulletin from last month outlining some future plans was a nice step forward) and their staff are virtually nonexistent on the forums or the site in general. Most of the time, we just get little tidbits of information from site mods as go between. This practical non-existence with the user base, general lack of updates on bugs (it's pretty wild that we still have an issue with notifications, I haven't seen one in over 2 weeks), all while adding lots of new features nobody has ever asked for, is a pretty terrible impression for a new company taking over a site with such a large user base.
I'm glad they have taken notice of those bugs and feature requests, and I'm glad they are working on it, but I really wish we could just hear any kind of update on them. Something like a road map that outlines what feature requests and bug fixes are in the pipeline would open up a world of good. Dealing with a website with a ton of users is always a challenge, but speaking from personal experience, users like to know what is going on and what is being worked on/slated for release. Without conveying that to your users, they tend to get very frustrated when instead of seeing new features desperately needed, they instead see opinion oriented blog posts as an example. It gives off the impression that that is what Elo has been focusing on, rather than focusing on anything else. This is where the transparency and desire to have more information from Elo would do a world of good to assuring people that their issues and requests are actually being heard and worked on (heck, even incremental bug fix releases like once every 2 weeks would do a world of good, even if it literally fixed only a few bugs).
As a final note, I'm not upset with you in particular @DarQ_Massacres, nor am I taking out my frustration on you. After all, you're not on Elo's staff and it's appreciated all of the work the Content/Full Mods do with limited staff. I just felt like it opened a good direction to kind of talk about some of the complaints I have right now, since it's all kind of related to updates like the one that was just rolled out.
@Timmiluvs I don't have a problem with my notifications, I think you should check your user settings
I do agree that I wish that there would be some sort of feedback to let us know that certain bugs are being fixed/noted, it's weird that there is never a response in the feedback thread or site bug thread.
I agree with @Merl_ on this. Even if compiling the information on everything that's been noted or currently being worked on seems like too much to ask, a simple reply every now and then on the Feedback/Site Bug thread (similar to how the Request Leaderboard Moderation thread flows nowadays) would go a very long way to letting the users feel like they're being heard. Doesn't have to be something grand, just acknowledgement of the issues.
@Timmiluvs has put it really well.
Elo isn't being held to the same standards as the volunteers before them, they're being held to higher ones. @MrMonsh is right, acknowledgement in the thread in a similar manner to RLM would be very appreciated.
New frontpage is pretty sus if you ask me
@Merl_ For what it’s worth (and not to derail the subject of this thread/discussion lol), my notification settings are unchanged from when I set them over 6 years ago when I joined. Granted I haven’t submitted any runs for a while so I can’t comment on those notifications, but I definitely haven’t received any for likes on a forum post in 2-3 weeks as an example. If I need to like disable and re-enable my settings I’d gladly do that if it restored my notifications to coming through on the site.
All of my notifs are working perfectly except for liking forum post notifs, but that's it.