Category idea: 360 degree dashing
2 years ago
Ontario, Canada

In Celeste, when you turn on Cheats Mode, you can turn on a Variant that allows you to dash in any direction, not just the cardinals and diagonals. I think it would be cool if we had a 360% (any% but with this enabled) category in this game. :)

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this would only be accessible to people who play on controller so basically everyone who plays on keyboard wouldn't be able to enjoy this category.

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To elaborate more, it's a cool idea and I do think it could have potential if someone put the time and effort into it (dream blocks in particular have quite a few funky 360-dash skips that are known already) but from a leaderboard standpoint there's a few potential issues which are kinda concerning for moderation:

  • For the variant to be a challenge you'd need to enforce people use analog throughout the whole run, which is pretty unrealistic: while input displays exist and are used by a decent chunk of players, enforcing their use will likely lead to a lot more rejects than the average category given how many people will just see the category name and just jump into runs for fun. For the runs with input display this would involve making sure something like d-pad/keyboard isn't used throughout the run which is quite a bit more verification work than your average category :(

  • Target audience: only around half the community play on controller and even less use analog (and even within that group there's likely a few who use dpad at least somewhere in the run) - this unfortunately leaves a pretty small group of people who would be able to play the category which isn't ideal for a category on the leaderboards, even for a category extension.

  • Interest: ideally for a category on the boards we'd like to make sure it has runs to populate it. Currently I don't know of anyone who has completed a leaderboard valid run of this (not considering the potential input display requirement this category might have), which isn't ideal :(

This isn't to say you shouldn't run it: if 360 dashing seems like fun for you, go ahead! We've had cases in the past of similar variants (i.e Super Dash) getting their way onto the boards from a dedicated group of runners playing it regardless of whether it had an official category at the time. Admittedly this has a few additional challenges if it were to reach that point of being considered for a leaderboard category, but don't let that stop you from having fun with it anyway :)

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Massachusetts, USA
carrarium
She/Her, They/Them
2 years ago

Coming from personal experience of having attempted 360 Dashing Any% twice, there are also a few things from a speedrunning lens that are a bit difficult to deal with:

  • Essentially, any entity that requires activation from a down dash do not react well to 360 dashes. I experienced numerous instances of trying to dash down on swap blocks or Kevins, and ended up with some form of reverse because you're not "technically" dashing straight down. This resulted in a lot of misdirects and deaths. Buttons also have similar issues.

  • Red bubbles move in whatever direction you're holding once the bubble decides to start moving. I assume that with enough practicing or labbing, it could work in your favor. However, I oftentimes found their trajectory very difficult to predict, and they tended to do more harm than good. Additionally, non-cardinal dashes out of red bubbles have different types of trajectory and speed then cardinal dashes, which became problematic for certain rooms in Temple, particularly ones with lots of spikes or wigglybros.

  • Supers of all kinds (reversed, extended) can just not happen due to the 360-ness of the whole thing. If your dash is just over the ground, you don't get snapped to the floor, so your dash refresh never happens.

I think it has cool potential, but yeah, that and the difficulty in moderating input displays makes it a really hard sell for the leaderboards. But I DID have a lot of fun playing it. There's nothing stopping you from doing an official unofficial leaderboard similar to what kivov did with Super Dash and other categories!

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