Leaderboards moderation requests thread
9 years ago
Utah, USA

@kobepilgrim that note was actually from ME, to HIM, telling HIM to add milliseconds, because he didn't have them as an option, and he did then add them as an option.

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New Jersey, USA

@StarOfDoom

Ah, gotcha. My bad. Still, you should try responding to his forum post.

The fact that he did add milliseconds, and the fact that he's asking for help designing the page indicates that he is open to ideas.

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Louisiana, USA

Hey fam, I know this request was made by stEEx a few weeks ago, but I am requesting to be a moderator for Trine and the Trine series (https://www.speedrun.com/trine). The current mods have all been inactive for 3+ months except Nerezea, who hasn't been on in over two weeks. I messaged Nerezea on Twitch 2 weeks ago asking him to make me a moderator since he's rarely on, and he hasn't replied. I'm know the Trine games well, having the 2nd fastest time in Trine 1, and I'm on the site very often. Thanks for your consideration, Maximum Leech

EDIT: added link

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Aomori, Japan

Hi, In this run,http://www.speedrun.com/robloxsmb , I posted a run about 2 weeks ago. Still not accepted yet. Also, I believe the moderator for that game rigged his time because it is completely impossible and theres no visual proof. I would love to replace or be a moderator in ROBLOX or that section because these runs just aren't being accepted... I would also love to be a mod for Garry's Mod, I own 2 first places and the person who moderates it mest up my times TWICE. The first he made it .84 milliseconds... And second, he made it waaaay slower than my original to make his time still first (a admin had to fix it).

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Colorado, USA

Taven was added as a supermod to a game that is currently being moderated well. I've not abandoned the site, I still visit it every single day. I have for a long time and site admins and Pac know this.

http://www.speedrun.com/treasureplanet

I don't know how Taven got in contact with somebody who could do this, but it doesn't matter. he didn't come to me to ask, and neither did the admin. Since he's been a mod, he's tried to change the timing of the runs, he's rejected runs (including all 3 of mine that I did over 2 years ago), and he added something called "Emu%". Which is just like.. wtf. Emulator is a tick-box that's optional and it's fine. There's little competition in the game anyway, and it will never need to be split up.

I can't remove this guy as a mod, somebody higher up needs to.

EDIT: I did a bit of digging through his broadcasts to figure out why.

My PB is 39:25. My second best time is a 40:00. He got a 39:39. He decided to DQ my old runs that had no video. Then he got beat by somebody else who plays on emulator (he got a 38:40). To maintain his precious WR, he split the game from console to emulator, even though he's done no research to determine the differences. PS2 FDS is probably faster than emulator anyway, so this change makes no sense.

Basically this guy is 3rd place and he's abusing mod to have the top time.

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Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany

Okay, we (the mkw speedrun community) want to have following categories to run: nitro cups no items, nitro cups no skips no items, retro cups no items, retro cups no skips no items. Our problem is the main mod for this game (Lafungo) don't want them. Look at this threads we created in the past months http://www.speedrun.com/mkw/thread/zvucu (thread with a strawpoll http://www.strawpoll.me/10854239/r 2/3 want the category) http://www.speedrun.com/mkw/thread/vy8rz http://www.speedrun.com/mkw/thread/crsxn Other MK like MK8 have the categories and a lot of people like them: http://www.speedrun.com/mk8#32_Tracks_No_Items crazycroco created categories which were deleted by Lafungo. Because of this whole situation we want that Lafungo get removed as a mod and that we get a diffirent supermod.

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Illinois, USA

I speak for this: The new supermod should be somebody good at the game, very involved and frequently online. They should be nice and willing to do what the community wants

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Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany

We as a community spoke about it and our result is remove Lafungo and add these 3 new mods: Aori=mod, Silentjay=SuperMod, jcool=mod.

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Utah, USA

The problem is that there is a no items category for 32 tracks in Mario Kart Wii, and no other no items category in the game. From what I've learned, other no items categories were added at one point and removed by one mod, and the only reason no other no item categories exist is because one single mod won't allow them to be there. There is no reason for no items categories to exist for the game, removing items takes out RNG aspects and allows for a speedrun dedicated to how skillfully you can play the game. The categories could be split into subcategories for better aesthetic and organization, and on top of that there are multiple people that will run these categories. There is literally no reason that they shouldn't exist. This is why there needs to be new moderators, so that one single mod doesn't have the ability to add and remove whatever categories that they choose to without a general consensus between at least the other moderators.

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Québec

@electriccrusher891 if a mod had to do what a community wants, every boards would have over 200 categories....

This issue is not needed and a waste of time. If they refuse to add a category then you cant do anything about it, get over it lol.

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United States

Of course a mod should listen to the community for a site like this.

A mod that makes arbitrary decisions without talking to folks isn't doing a good job.

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England

I have a question though, have you talked to the people you would like to make mods in place of this other person. You mentioned "Aori=mod, Silentjay=SuperMod, jcool=mod."

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Illinois, USA

@FurryWulfz its 2. Only 2 extra categories. They could be subcategories. That would be easy. Like jcool said.

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Québec

@PresJPolk listening and doing is 2 different things

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United States

Any moderator who gets stubborn about new categories isn't doing his job as moderator and should be removed. People who want to be moderators just to be dictators, rather than a caretaker for the community, should be removed.

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New Jersey, USA

@furrywulfz

I disagree with your idea that a category doesn't attract runners. I have personally been looking for games that I not only wat to play, but that also have categories structured in a way that would allow me to practice the way that I like, while still allowing me to post my progress on the board. I like to practice level-by-level, then section-by-section, then finally put a run together. I started playing Hotline Miami right out the gate, full runs every session, and it has left me stagnant. For the most part, individual levels is all that it takes. But, not all games have IL's on the board.

I have no input on the Mario Kart discussion, but I do feel that this specific idea of yours does not generally reflect the views of all runners.

That said, I do agree with the idea of running a possible category before proposing that it be added. There is a particular game that I like so much that I'm not letting myself be deterred by the leaderboard's lack of polish. The game basically plays entirely differently on NG+, and there is a hidden Hard Mode, yet neither of these categories exist. I'm currently slaving away in the shadows, putting together a NG run to post, then a NG+ run--and then I feel that my idea will be credible.

@mario Kart @furrywulfz, kind of continuing :p

(I guess I do have something to say about Mario Kart, but I understand that I'm butting in to someone else's convo.) My situation with the one game is much different from the MK situation being discussed here. There is no community for the game that I'm playing, save for an MIA mod and a mysterious, pseudo-inactive runner-mod. There is also only one category (there is NG and 100%, but I have never seen an active 100% board. If anyone reads this and wants to show me one, I would actually be delighted to hear it.) MK is very active, there are lots of people playing, and there are tons of categories. If I were in a situation where I wanted a category added to that game, I would start a thread in the forum, have people post their videos in the replies, and keep track of the times in the original post (username-time linked to YouTube/twitch vid. Simple.) That way, everyone that wants to do that run has a place to show their progress, and you might garner enough interest that the mod would have no choice but to add the category. With enough activity and interest there, and if the mod still refused to officially add it, then I might have a gripe.

That's what I would do, having my perspective on the situation. I don't run Mario Kart, nor do I intend to, so my perspective is severely limited. If anyone wants to discuss my idea as it pertains to the Mario Kart situation, please know that I do understand that I do not have a say in how things progress. My idea is very general.

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New Jersey, USA

@furrywulfz I agree :D

Did you change your avatar, or was I just not paying attention? haha (rhetorical question! Don't answer! No more spam! :P )

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Massachusetts, USA

First of all, thank you to Racingmonster for bringing the activity here to my attention, I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise. I would have preferred to have continued the discussion in the Mario Kart forum instead of involving admins and unrelated third-parties, but oh well.

To give some background on the situation, I am currently the only series mod for Mario Kart (there used to be a couple others, but they stepped down a while back). I consider my goal as series mod to maintain a similar level of board quality across all Mario Kart games. This was simple to do when the boards were just starting out here on speedrun.com, as all the games had the same basic category (32 Tracks for MKW), with a couple additions for specific games (like All Missions for MKDS). However, as the Mario Kart community here grew, I took a step back for games I am less involved in (namely MKW and MK8) and appointed mods via an open and public application process in this thread. I've since had little input when it comes to moderation for either of those games, although I do read their forums regularly and occasionally discuss matters with their respective mods.

Jump forward to yesterday, when GamingAori sent me a message on Twitter asking me for my opinion in this thread. As requested, I provided my opinion, which is that all these extra categories are silly and shouldn't be added. Today I woke up to a request for me to be demodded in what seems like a gross overreaction, to say the least.

As far as the conversation here goes, I've had plenty of category requests in the past. If I were to add all of them, Mario Kart would have categories like 50cc, 100cc, Mirror, all tracks in Time Trials, 100%, All Missions 3 Stars, All Missions except for World 7, 32 Tracks in random order, etc. I don't think that mods should just blindly add new categories just because someone requested them. I've also noticed that many Mario Kart category requests come from the same small group of people that seem to have formed a vocal minority on the forums, so I can't help but question whether they actually represent the game's community like they claim.

I have no idea where these allegations that I've deleted categories come from. To my knowledge, the only MKW category that has ever been removed was 100%, which TheCrazyCroco added following a request in this thread but was later removed by consensus between all three mods because there had been no runs submitted after several weeks (if not months).

All this being said, I'm not claiming that I'm perfect either. In fact, I was supposed to contact admins months ago to set up subcategories for various games in the series, but I never got around to doing it and forgot about it for a while. Regardless, I think it's ridiculous that this thread was used in an attempt to demod me as a response to my complying with GamingAori's request to provide my opinion on adding extra MKW categories.

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JazzyChoi1991: I added a SM64 Rom Hacks series. I don't think FrostyZako has logged on since I did that yet.

LozBlind: This seems fine since the forums suggest you've been doing a lot of board maintainance.

MaximumLeech: I'll add you for Trine 1 since the current moderator doesn't have a run and there's some question of availability of moderators for the board. (One moderator isn't ideal even for small boards.) Since you don't have a run of the other games, I think adding you for the whole series might be a bit too much on my part.

triton: I think we should wait a week or two for inactivity. It's a bit of a risk to me to add you with the intention of deleting a time I know nothing about. The user has a reasonable number of recorded runs on the site that are probably legitimate. Someone that wasn't me added you for Garry's mod.

Jumpyluff: I'm pretty sure I didn't make this change, I'll talk to staff.

Mario Kart Stuff:

  • If people aren't posting under the forums with usernames of runners with runs, it is very difficult to gauge consensus. A strawpoll is a very poor measurement compared to posts in a forum thread, one is anonymous, the other is not.
  • There is a difference between the notion of "the community wants this" and "me and my friends talked about this in discord" Some members of the community probably don't hang out in discord.
  • Category bloat can be a problem. There is some balance between too many and being too restrictive.
  • There is some desire to have game in a series be relatively consistent with each other. However, sometimes the games and communities are different enough that different decisions can be made for different games. Trying to overly maintain consistency has been an issue with certain series in the past.
  • If MK runs need restructured to a subcategory layout, let us know what needs changed.
  • Sort it out in the forums for now please amongst people with runs of the game.
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