No Intro Category Vote
3 years ago
Chile

Would "no intro" also be available for console categories?

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Greece

sadly not at the moment

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The pre substation typewriter intro has 22 cutscenes, and arguably 3 or 4 control wrestling moments, at the end of which you have 5 minutes playtime. It is offensively intrusive, and should never have been part of the game. If you have ever used a skip cutscene mod, the intro plays like Jill is being teleported through the map, it's that bad. I genuinely believe some people will have refunded RE3R because of it.

The only sane vote, is yes. It's a game, not a movie.

Canada

I voted no because so much work has already been done on the full game leaderboards that it weakens the chances of future improvements by splitting the player base. This would have been better when people were asking for it after launch. I guess it's the OCD in me but I like running the full game and will return to that category when I go back to improve my times.

California, USA

I vote yes, simply based on community outreach. I think this category was shot down previously because people were asking for it for terrible reasoning, such as "I don't like it.", "It's boring.", "My hands hurt from mashing the stairs.".... Now that the game has been optimized and worked on for a little under a year, the reasoning Mike brought up was a lot more solid than what was previously stated. I still think this is simply 5 minutes, and it's kinda weird to just skip it, but I also understand it's an insignificant portion of the game that is wasted on Downtown RNG. Just sharing my thoughts.

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China

I have an idea. If you really want to omit the apartment, you might as well start from the typewriter and run to the archive to allow it to be loaded here. The speed of the archive depends on your own time. Anyway, it's another record mode. I don't think this will have any effect. It also saves the trouble of directly opening the apartment. That's about it, or publishing a typewriter archive at a fixed time

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Australia

I voted yes because the positives outweigh the downsides.

There is some skill in the opener and good players can get far better opens if they understand how to do the apartment. After that though, there are over 2 minutes of tedious talking scenes - Brad, Dario, Carlos - and a tiresome QTE with Nemesis.

After that, it's an extremely reset-heavy game for the next 5-12 minutes on Standard, with similar trouble on the higher difficulties. The combined probability of getting a run-through, let alone at the pace needed for an optimal time, is slim. It's not like a 0.000000001% meme but I've crunched the numbers on a few times and it's low - on Standard at least.

Using better strategies will improve your consistency. That said, even using the proper strategy is not enough to lose a considerable amount of runs to things out of your control.

That's speedrunning to a certain extent - and for the most part, if you didn't like what the game has to offer then don't play it. Most games have RNG, and if you pick up a game, you're going to expect RNG. It's not out of the ordinary.

However, the combination of the sheer unforgiving amount of RNG stacked into an extended 7 minute period of time (basically a 7-minute basement), combined with the tedious opener - makes it a valid concern IMO.

I can see that is more than one person wanting a new category because they want to get a run, but a lot of people having trouble.

Removing the intro simply makes things more fun. It deserves a category, at least for Standard-Inferno.

I'm not sure about Assisted or NG+ because you don't have to deal with anywhere near as much of these problems at all. I find the argument less compelling for that. It's really the combo of intro and unforgiving RNG that makes this worth considering.

Edited by the author 3 years ago
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China

It is proposed to use a unified typewriter archive time instead of a modifier

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São Paulo, Brazil

@bcalllye its impossible to share saves

China

This reformation is definitely unfair to runners who have tried inferno category long time ago. They have spent considerable amount of time on practising the apartment. If intro is gonna be cut down, I would feel pity for those runners for their worth of effort.

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Greater Manchester, England

[quote=bcalllye]This reformation is definitely unfair to runners who have tried inferno category long time ago. They have spent considerable amount of time on practising the apartment. If intro is gonna be cut down, I would feel pity for those runners for their worth of effort.[/quote]

Many of the runners who originally ran nightmare/inferno (including myself) wanted the category in the first place. I bet a decent amount of them are gonna come back should this be allowed, because we all hated the intro with a passion.

São Paulo, Brazil

now they can get good at the actual game instead of playing the intro, i can only see win

Not to mention they can use this category as practise with a leaderboard(competition/motivation). In the future return to the vanilla cat and better their times. The vanilla cats will still be the real cats. No intro will be misc even if it isnt put there.

China

It could be the perfect situation if there is no apartment section in the first place. More people are likely to join in this category with wilder imagination. However the opener has ruined that and effort original runners have made should be respected and sorry about. Therefore,why not set up this no intro category before rather than this moment?

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Los Angeles, CA, USA

Just a reminder everyone! Voting for No Intro ends in 3 days, so if you haven't voted yet please do so ASAP. I'll be posting the results on both here and the discord. Have a good weekend everyone.

Edited by the author 3 years ago
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China

@bcalllye I'm sure even for those runners who have spent a plenty of time on intro part, most of them might be happy to join No Intro category. Because this makes them easier to try limit of strats when they are running, especially for Inferno category. As for what you mentioned," the editor will probably be used by runners to improve their speed." I think this won't be a problem, because this possibility is same for all the runners. btw, I still firmly believe that the entire category is "more purist" existence in RE3R speedrun. Anyway, gl on runs.

Mexico

Damn, I have waited for this since the game came out, the apartment was too boring to run, then when you wanted to improve your time it became frustrating to return to the apartment, good that this category is submitted to a vote, so my vote is ah please and if they allow skins-mods it would be better :)

Edited by the author 3 years ago
China

大家好 Hey guys

首先祝PC玩家在No intro流程中玩的开心 First of all, I wish PC runner a good time in the No intro process

但是,作为主机区玩家,我要为主机说两句话 However, as the Console runner, I have two words to say for Console

如果一个流程想要追求更好的成绩,你们不可以忽略主机,也不要忽略主机平台在速通中的意义 If a process wants to pursue better results, you can't ignore Console, and don't ignore the significance of Console platform in speedrun

更不要在制定规则时,忽略主机区玩家的感受 Don't ignore the feeling of Console runner when making rules

我们付出了大量的努力 We put in a lot of effort

只为在带着镣铐跳舞的同时,取得更好的成绩 Just for better results while dancing in chains

向大家展示主机平台的潜力及速通的可能 Show you the potential of Console platform and the possibility of quick access

不想跑序章,就可以改规则,那主机区玩家也不想跑序章,但是主机区玩家的感受,你们考虑过吗? If you don't want to run the intro, you can change the rules. The Console runner doesn't want to run the intro, but have you considered the feelings of the console runner?

我在之前的投票中,投了“赞成” I voted "yes" in the previous vote

我只想让大家玩的开心的同时,取得好的成绩 I just want PC runner to have fun and get good results at the same time

但是我突然发现 But I suddenly found out

你们在制定规则时,根本不考虑主机,全是基于PC在制定规则 When you make the rules, you don't consider Console at all. It's all based on the PC

这件事,我要投“反对” I'm going to vote "no" to this

Console does not have a tool to simply reset in game time any where.(which is the main if not only reason console wont see a no intro category) It would have to be timed real time. Which would open a whole different can of worms for PC runs(real time opposed to in game time. I would guess skipping cutscenes would also be ideal to keep the rhythm.)