Amiibo
7 years ago
France

Ok i just see you don't have any argument so you are bashing me ^^. I just want equality and for Wii U vs Swtich you can use In game time do you know ?

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Ottawa, ON, Canada

And why is equality so important to you that you would ban the way some people play the game? Also as of now, there's no way to accurately compare wii u vs switch until the tools are developed (which involves HACKING (omg!!!) and I know your opinion on that so I don't know why you're bringing it up anyways)

France

i don't want to ban amiibo oO, i didn't say that i just want to separe run with amiibo and without amiibo because i think we can't compare an amiibo run vs an no amiibo run, it's just logic. And in the futur we can't run this game without NFC tags hacked or expensive amiibo.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Ottawa, ON, Canada

knock yourself out

http://i.imgur.com/fzhgLCu.gif

Edited by the author 6 years ago
France

Yeah but separate category is better because now you can choose to compare an amiibo run vs a no amiibo run and it's not logic.

Ottawa, ON, Canada

Yes it would be such a shame that if sva wants to compare against Ikkitrix we wouldn't let him because someone with an opinion thinks it's not logical.

Tigame likes this
France

Half of this community thinks like me and other half thinks like you :)

Germany

Exactly. Which is why I don't see your point. We had a vote about this, it was split. We asked the SRC staff for technical extensions to make sub categories better and more fitting for our scenario. Until then leaderboards will stay like this

France

Good to know, I didn't know for extension

Edited by the author 6 years ago
New York, USA

I hate to return to this thread, but the "Yeah but the thing is you don't want to run the game, you just want to sit here and have your opinion heard and pretend like it's going to have some big everlasting effects on the community. ....." comment by quo left a bad taste in my mouth.

As TreZc0 stated, the entire process of properly orienting the leader boards is still underway. The "high horse" position taken in saying that soya's argument is invalid - presuming they don't care about the game, or simply being a streamer fanboy - is not only demeaning, but uninformed. There are several runners who either do not wish to post to speedrun.com, or do not wish to post a time until they are satisfied, the latter of which I fall under. Despite this, I would hope my input on the forum would not instantly be ruled out as fallacious.

CarlEmilEx and ffleret like this
Ottawa, ON, Canada

You do need to understand that this is not an isolated event, every now and again in whatever community people who don't care about a game and are not part of the community push for rules that "are logical" to them. Easy examples are n64 vs vc in sm64, or igt vs rta in the prime trilogy. It happens often enough that the "high horse" position, as unfortunate as it is, is honestly the only viable way of getting things done. If you want your opinion to be heard, you need to prove that your opinion is worth listening to.

Drane and ffleret like this
France

And how we can prove that ? You think your opinion is more important than an other person because you are so important and so famous and it's my responsibility to prove that my opinion is logical because you don't know who i am, it's a joke? i participate in the community and i run botw but i haven't yet a capture card to prove my words.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Germany

Still there are several people who don't run the game and still voice their opinion in a rather loud and intrusive way, you cannot deny that. Of course we shouldn't lump together all of these people, but its completely fair to be sceptical at first imo.

bobakanoosh55555 likes this
Germany

"it's my responsibility to prove that my opinion is logical, it's a joke?" Of course you have to prove that your opinion is logical, that's how discussions work. You could just write your opinion but then don't be surprised if people are gonna disagree with you right of the bat.

France

I have already explained my opinion with arguments and only answer is that: "Yeah but the thing is you don't want to run the game, you just want to sit here and have your opinion heard and pretend like it's going to have some big everlasting effects on the community. This thread should have been locked a month ago when the mods decided to keep the ruleset as it is, because we'll just keep having people who don't particularly care about the game want to ban amiibo because their favorite streamer doesn't have any."

Ok i need to prove my opinion is logical but i can have an opinion without explain who i am and my opinion is not less important than an other. And half of this community have the same opinion, i'm not alone. And Quo or you Tigame doesn't run the game, so why your opinion is more important?

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Ottawa, ON, Canada

It's not, everything I've said echoes the ruleset put in place by the mods. If you don't have the money for a capture card, you can always get a $30 webcam while you save up. With enough skill, webcam videos don't look too bad actually.

re: "[...]it's my responsibility to prove that my opinion is logical because you don't know who i am" Yes. It is.

France

Don't quote just half of my sentence please and i rework it because you and Tigame do that. In the rule it's written that you need to be septical and bash someone when you don't have arguments ?

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Ottawa, ON, Canada

"You think your opinion is more important than an other person because you are so important and so famous[...]" It's not, everything I've said echoes the ruleset put in place by the mods

"[...]and it's my responsibility to prove that my opinion is logical because you don't know who i am[...]" Yes, it is.

"[...]it's a joke?" no, it's not.

"In the rule it's written that you need to be septical and bash someone when you don't have arguments?" Someone with no times on sr.c, no twitch, youtube or even twitter linked to their account and their only interaction on the site are through the forums? Tell me honestly why anybody in their right mind would take you seriously. Harsh as it is, I explained why that's an issue in this post http://www.speedrun.com/botw/thread/a2cc5/6#rloqp

New York, USA

"Still there are several people who don't run the game and still voice their opinion in a rather loud and intrusive way, you cannot deny that. "

I would never try to deny that, nor can I say that soya isn't one of those people - I have no means of proving that, nor is that particularly important to me. The presumption of such is what I have a problem with. There are many people with a well informed opinion that do not have a name on the leader boards. I do not currently have any times submitted, but I am fairly well informed on BotW speedrunning, keep up with it regularly, and know a good amount about moderating speedrun.com leader boards, though only being a moderator in smaller communities myself. I find the overwhelming favor given to some people over others when taking opinion is unjust.

I certainly agree that those evidently running the game, and those with experience with moderating Zelda speedrunning should be held highly when it comes to matters of opinion, even over newer runners or those with knowledge and experience - but unsubmitted times. I would argue that demeaning these players is the wrong way to go about this, and that their opinion still holds great value - especially if you have no background on these players.

I understand there are many who do argue for the sake of arguing, and I wouldn't be quick to deny that soya is indeed one of those people. However, being grouped in with such people myself, I find the approach taken to such people is regrettable.

Germany

I agree with you and thats what I said: ("Of course we shouldn't lump together all of these people").

A name on the leaderboards isn't important. I think contribution and actual interest showing are important.

bobakanoosh55555 likes this