Explain to me how what you post in the discord is more useful than what Nagenowa posts, all you do is shit on people for the smallest things.

If anything, you should be first one to be banned but you get a pass because you went to ESA or some bias reason.

as i said it's just my opinion on the matter and to me having a top 5 runs but being a year old runs and those same runners don't even run the game anymore with rules have to be adjusted for this " any% dupeless " i think there'll be more competition for runners to put in a run than having grandfather in runs. To be flat out i really don't care how new of a run was put in i just think having a clean slate would be better, again this is just my opinion i'm not saying that is a demand from the community or others having the same view point only me myself and i.

Lmfao, yeah you're right I do nothing for the community. You know aside from organise events/schedules, restream on GTAM to help the community grow. Help new runners by creating guides for the 3D era games

you got me dude, busted! The reason i'm not banned it because I went to ESA. @MToms127 be sure to write that one down on your conspiracy list, you guys could write a novel at this point

Ohhhh you organise events, which is basically something anyone can do.

Help new runners? By shitting on them by being sarcastic? You're constantly shit-posting in #gtasa and you and other people here know it aswell, so keep lying to yourself.

I can give a million examples of you being a dickhead, it'll take you a whole week to delete all your shitposts.

"Ohhhh you organise events, which is basically something anyone can do."

Anyone but you though apparently, I wonder why.....

"Help new runners? By shitting on them by being sarcastic?" Again you're right, my VC guide is just 1:40:00 of me flaming new people :)

1. I keep calling it a shitpost, because you keep posting the exact same quote. He's joking. He's shitposting, whatever, people do this crap, I think it's wrong, I don't agree with it, but he can post whatever he likes within reason as much as you can, you used this as a defence yourself earlier in discord about joking about proving proof or something. What I mean is that I don't think he actually intends to do what he said and prevent a leaderboard being added. Perhaps he felt that way before but again, good points have been raised and he probably doesn't think that way anymore, how should I know?

2. This thread exploded with mostly everyone's opinions on the matter. This is obviously a controversial change. Controversial because of what reasons doesn't matter. but it really makes no difference whether it is on here or not Some people feel differently, and not mods. Just because that's your opinion on the matter doesn't make it true..

3. I know nothing of this, it would require him to discuss it. If the reasons isn't good enough for you doesn't mean it isn't good enough. I can't really talk about this I have no idea.

And by the way, i recall you (mods) instantly locking/deleting LS% threads basically saying "we made up our minds" I remember this happening a long time ago as well. I don't remember the exact situation but I feel the locking was justified as there was a thread every other day about it. It's hard for us to talk about that now it was so long ago, maybe we were right, maybe we were wrong (probably). Not sure why it is relevant now.

tduva's post is basically how I feel about it. Any% No Major Glitches(or Skips) allows enough flexibility for people to define what kind of glitches would be disallowed without it being arbitrary and if a new glitch appears its legality in the run can be discussed. Defining such a category however requires people to stop posting garbage about moderation and to start caring about the creation of the category instead, which is impossible in these forums, apparently.

To get the ball started, here's a set of banned glitches:

• Mission Duplication
• Any sort of intended mission flag manipulation

All other Any% rules apply of course.

(Note that I'm still not saying it should be added, but if people take an interest in it I don't see why not consider it)

Nagenowa is right this is devolving a bit. The past few posts between Ben and Lel is just attacking each other in a flame war and not really discussing moderation or the new category anymore.

@Powdinet Seems to cover everything known about right now. We'd obviously have to add more if anything did.

@MToms127 we're not a government. The main difference is that we are not paid by the people. I'm not sure that comparison is really fair.

As long as the runs fit the "No Major Glitches" (yet to be determined) rules, they should be on the leaderboards, no matter how old they are. I think it's interesting to get a complete view of what runs there actually are that fit the rules. Especially if one reason for the category is to kind of separate the old and new "era" of the run, runs of the old "era" should be allowed as well. Of course it could be problematic for runs that e.g. were submitted before the FPS rules were in place and didn't follow them, but I'm not sure how many of those there even are.

@FLYlNG Yes it was, but you know how it is with SA forums...

A minute ago Josh couldn’t defend MHs post now “He was joking” He clearly didn’t not want to add this category and did not want to discuss it. The only reason it is being discussed is people are OVERWHELMINGLY in support of it. He thought it would be like LS% discussions and could throw his opinion out there without seeing what others thought.

@MToms127 a good chunk of the community ignore these forums entirely, so i wouldn't say anyone is "OVERWHELMINGLY" in support of anything after only hearing a vocal few

okay that is fair i can understand that but my view point is that having old runs on a fresh " new per se " " any% dupeless " makes it seem as though no one runs the category anymore and it has died to a more popular run.

I think that if Any% NMG is a thing, old runs should be allowed, but have to be resubmitted by the original runner. The original runner should check to make sure their run conforms to these new rules before resubmitting it, rather than having the mods have to comb through them to make sure they're all valid. I think that's a fairer workload.

EDIT: This also ensures that the board isn't cluttered from the get-go, and only has up to date runs on it. It means the board will only be populated by current runners too - at least current GTA SA runners, even if they do a different category now.

I said I can't KEEP defending it. As in this is going on too long. I said "he was joking" in the previous threads, it wasn't new information. lel brought it up again so I had to speak about it again.

Sure maybe he didn't want to add it or discuss it. Never did I until 4 days after the first post about it (now). Can you say discussing this fun? I don't want to do this but I am because it needs to be.

You keep wording stuff like how we don't want to add it/discuss it, but I've never posted against it. From my first post I said it could be a good idea and talked about doing it.

Not sure why were talking about MH about the LS% discussions? He wasn't a mod then, why couldn't he throw his opinion without reading anything else, isn't everyone else doing that? Your mixing MH from now with MH from 2(?) years ago?

EDIT: Personally I think all runs should just be moved over, but requiring the runners to resubmit old runs could work too, would shift the workload to the runners instead of the mods though

@a_jar_of_hair_mayo i could take that tbh. but also why not pick up the game and get a time in and have "old" runners come back and submit a new run? what is so wrong with that?

If the "No Major Gltiches" category has a lot of old runs and only a few new ones and if that's an objective representation of the situation, then that is exactly what I would expect/like to find on the leaderboards. I think that is what they are about, informing people about the development and current situation of a category/speedrun.

What might be worthwhile is to add a short info as to when and why the category was created, so it doesn't appear as though "No Major Skips" was a separate category from the start and then any% became more popular, but that these old runs basicially were any% at some point (not sure if that isn't clear anyway, but it doesn't hurt to document these things).

Edit: Is there even a way to show any kind of message on the leaderboards except for the rules? If need be it could go in there I guess.

No that was misleading, what I meant to say is that everyone would jump on any LS post and say no we are not adding new categories. So when a new category is suggested people have a tendency to overreact and say no immediately, like MH did here. I didn’t mean compare anything he did years ago to now. Secondly, I don’t think the idea of fair representation is absurd or trivial and I certainly don’t think you have to be paid for it to be considered, but that’s a discussion for another day I’ll drop it for the sake of getting the category added.

Anything over on the meme boards should be transferred over if a new board is added here. Anything current on the any% board should need to be resubmitted to the new board if they meet the requirements.

I still think that a SMART goal should be compiled to determine when the category is worthy of being main leaderboards material. When I look at the meme boards for it, there's a fair amount of runs. Like 11? Half of which seem to be from the most recent months.

I look on Twitch and I see regular streams of no dupe any%. The category clearly has backing, but when is it enough?

Be SMART