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6 years ago
France

Hello in there.

So! With the arrival of ragnarok also came a new option called "accomplised hero", wich let you a the start of a new character start the game directly at the ragnarok DLC and lvl 40.

Put it simply, i thinks this mode should have it's own category.

It allow for thing other category don't: a short category, a good entry point for eventual new player, and more importantly a way easier glitchless run.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Bretagne, France

Well, this could be a nice shorter category ! The actual Ragnarök category is pretty long, I didn't take/have time to run it. Glitchless or not, that is the question. Starting lvl 40 may be enough to avoid a long farming phase idk.

United States

I think this category could be a lot of fun.

I did a little testing since seeing this post and just finished a 1:00:24 glitchless run that could have been closer to 56:00 if I didn't play awful, and maybe even lower if I played well. lol I went Dragon Hunter: 2 points in Rune for Rune of Life, then close to a full Hunting DPS build (missing some points in Art of the Hunt), just enough dex for a bow & spear, then the rest in health--no armor or shield, just bow, spear, rings, and amulet.

I think the variety of bosses in Ragnarok could make this category legitimately fun. My build was good with some, but other bosses were a pain (especially Sinmara) and there's opportunity for skill in a lot of fights, imo. I don't know, besides how big and open the maps are, I had a lot of fun with it and really want to test some other builds & strats now. lol

Anyway, I really like this suggestion. Hopefully this category or something like it can work out, if only to see more Titan Quest runs. lol

France

Glad to see some enthusiasm :)

ql28> Well i my head this the perfect glitchless category, cause it offers a lot of possibility for build Right of the gate which is lot of fun. Also, there isn't really any point using glitch here cause it will be the exact same run than any% but shorter, and way more rng heavy, so it's no fun.

Basically come done to 'it's more fun that way!"^^ Not at all saying this should be a glitchless only run tho.

John_Stanford > Holy s*** you're fast, I actually had the EXACT same full hunter + rune idea earlier^^ I would just had 1 point in Thunder strike, just because i love the idea of clicking on monster far away to get the 200% speed boost every 7sec (definitely not faster tho :p) Also never would have though of using no armor at all it's so counter-intuitive! Really interesting idea. is is that much it's that much better tho, since you can get some pretty big bonus of armor piece?(guess this depend on your luck at the shop) Argh, so much thing to test out!

But First i really want to try a full magical build (dream/earth/rune/tempest) just to see how much "bottleneck" the boss have. Will try that tomorrow.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
United States

I was losing ~2,000 health worth of attribute points to meet requirements for armor and was struggling to consistently survive Nerthus and the stolen items quest right after it (was also having flashbacks of Land's End in my full glitchless run and expected I couldn't survive on ~2,500 health), but you're right that probably a chance at travels or journeying is much better for a better player who can survive those areas lol (not to mention what +200 str could do for DPS)

And yes, at the very least, the idea for this category is giving a lot of interesting things to think about. lol

United States

Well, Mindwaves, you were definitely correct to be buying armor lol--I changed around the Dragon Hunter build to put more skill points into masteries so I'd have more natural health and stats and can buy travels or journeyings with 3-4k health. I only kept Take Down, Wood Lore, and Art of the Hunt in Hunting and now Rune is providing the DPS and reduced resistances with Seal of Fate. I think this could be a viable build for this category, depending on how testing is going with the mage builds.

I recorded this 49:02 this morning and feel pretty good about it:

I know this category is not official, but I am having a lot of fun with it so far. It is a fantastic idea, imo--props to Mindwaves.

France

Fuck sinmara and loki.

Alright, FINALLY got some free time to do a run.

Here the conclusion: Mage build suck plain and simple. i had a earth+rune one, but i can clearly say that none are viable for this. And... yeah that's about it. Only good point was stone form, other than that it's an absolute slug fest+if a single boss as a energy draining weapon the run is rip... and i had 3 in my run ahah(kill me)

PS:fuck sinmara and loki.

I also profited of the occasion to try and skip every dialog possible, and yeah, barrier are just everywhere( actually was really suprised by that) you really can't advance until you speak to every single quest giver, a shame.

Side note regarding your run: i noticed that you never use any scroll ever, which I think you should. Taking 2-3 sec to check for the primal chaos scroll (appear like 50% of time in ragnarok) can make you gain a lot of time on the last few boss. +Fun fact, this scroll also transform you into a giant for 60 sec which allow you to bypass the 166% max walking speed. not really useful but hey that's a thing.

did i say fuck sinmara and loki yet? cause fuck em.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
United States

Yeah, actually, I shouldn't have been overlooking scrolls--you're right! I started to ignore scrolls in my glitchless because of the level requirement, but here a primal chaos would be really good and even a frenzy or something could be very useful.

I didn't do much more testing after recording this run, but I also struggled to find anything that could outpace rune. I was mostly waiting for your results to see if maybe storm/ice shards or something else would be fast boss killers, though lol

I actually did do a few tests of a rune + nature build shortly after I recorded that run using heart of oak, rune of life, and sacred rage to get to 166 movespeed, ignoring armor again to get ~6000 max health (~2400 health to keep sacred rage active), and using similar DPS skills as that recorded dragon hunter build, with sacred rage attack speed instead of wood lore. I timed a 47:51 with a lot of stupid mistakes--I think a sub 45 could be possible with some variation of that build, good boss fights, and better health management to keep sacred rage active at all times.

Also, I'll join in saying fuck Sinmara and Loki lol

United States

So I decided to try a couple of runs on my break and sub 45 is definitely possible--I managed a 44:20 on my second attempt. I took your advice and looked for scrolls, but I ran into a little problem with primal chaos: I can't fit through the doors in Muspelheim after activating the scroll. lol I tried to activate at the stairs outside of Loki to fight the giants that normally follow me into the Loki fight and ended up waiting outside for ~40 seconds until it ran out. Then I accidentally turned off heart of oak after activating my second scroll during the Surtr fight and died, so that 44:20 could be a 42 with less mistakes and good scroll usage, I think. lol

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titancalc-anniversary-edition/TitanCalcd6f4d6f4rune9de6.html?mastery=Skinchanger&master1=4&master2=10&sa=7&m1=4-0-0-12-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&m2=32-10-6-1-16-10-1-0-1-0-0-0-1-0-12-12-0-0-0-0-6-0-0

That's the exact build I ran today--not sure if that's optimal, but it's the best skinchanger build I've tried. I buy dex or health rings & amulets, then go to ~195 dex to meet the hades blades requirements and dump the rest in health to get to as much as ~7000 health.

A 42 would be very close to mrtiger's any% time through Ragnarok, I believe--it would be fun to beat that time. lol

United States

Okay, I promise I'll stop spamming the forums after this, but I wanted to share this 42:04 I recorded--I got excited about this category again today. lol

I did a pretty poor job managing my health for sacred rage in general, lost ~20 seconds to a death at the stolen items quest, and lost ~45 seconds to a dumb death at Nidhoggr. Also, I'm pretty sure resetting is slower than taking the portal at Mimer (because it resets sacred rage), but Mimer trapped me, so I was forced to reset and had an ugly Mimer fight. lol

My leveling is really bad--you definitely don't need to finish leveling attributes to beat Ketos--so I think there's probably a good chunk of time to save there by spreading out leveling. I also didn't look into the scrolls enough: I can only identify primal chaos and frenzy by icon and I'm sure there are some scrolls that could help at Nerthus and maybe a few other fights to save even more time, as the suggestion to consider scrolls was a very good one (this Surtr fight was VERY fast thanks to primal chaos).

Anyway, all of that is to say that I think a sub 40 is definitely doable, which is very exciting! lol

Bavaria, Germany

Hey guys, Sorry for not reacting, i had quite alot to do and had no time to check the forums. I didn't create the categories immediately after ragnarök release because i don't like to have empty categories and I normally wait until we actually have runs for it. Since now we have runs for it, i'll add the Categories.

Please expect the categories to go live on Sunday since I already had the idea of completely restructuring the leaderboards for Titan Quest and I'd like to hear your opinions on it (see another thread here in the Forum going up soon)

United States

Well, I know I promised not to spam the forums anymore, but I got excited for this category again after seeing that the leaderboards were going to be restructured (thanks mrtiger!) lol So I ran a few attempts and got a 38:13 that I figured I'd share here since there won't be a place for it for a few days and I've refined the strat a bit so I thought maybe others who are thinking of running the category could take a look if they don't have a strat in mind already.

So, the biggest change is just me being less lazy and keeping the starting dagger to use thunder strikes for extra speed. I think my "pattern" of thunder strikes is pretty good, though I missed a few bigger ones during this run. I knew thunder strikes would save time, but I didn't realize they'd save SO much time.

I'm not confident my exact strat for scrolls is perfect (and I made a really bad decision with a frenzy in Scandia in this run), but generally I now take 1 bloodrage for Sinmara and 1 primal chaos for Surtr, then as many frenzies as I can find in 2 stops in Corinth (pre-Ketos and post-Ketos) to activate when I lose sacred rage and need the move speed. The cooldown on scrolls and the size issue with primal chaos doesn't give a lot of other options, I think.

I'm so bad at leveling that it's actually faster for me to just stand still and dump points into health and set up skills. lol I think there has to be some time to save at Ketos with a better plan for leveling. Also, I'm not convinced the point in frightening power is worth it as it causes a lot of problems, especially at Ketos where a more consistent clear can save 15-20 seconds. It might be worth putting that point into regrowth to keep out of death range when a potion would deactivate sacred rage, but I'm not sure yet.

Anyway--every time I say some time is "possible" that time gets crushed, so I won't bother making a guess at what's possible here. lol I'm just excited to see some more runs and what other strats are developed in a very fun category!

Russia
AlexYeahNot
Any/All, He/Him, She/Her, They/Them, It/Its
5 years ago

why not enter the category all bosses or all quests ? sorry for my english

Bavaria, Germany

I haven't made this category mainly because I don't want to have too many empty categories. So far, noone has donr an All Quests run, so there is no pointin maming a category. When someone comes up with an actual video plus ruleset, i can consider making a category for it.

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