I am not saying noone will run it. I'ld say it would be a lower quality than ILs. I am assuming Imita means "noone will seriously tryhard it to get all bests strats mistakeless" by "noone will run it".

how do you know that? Lower quality still can be good,additionaly this site isnt about people uploading their worldclass 100% level-asian speedruns, its about everyone being able to upload their time and run.There is still not a single valid con-argument presented in this discussion.

"100% level-asian" That's either a low-quality meme or racism. You know what, if you want to have your own leaderboard, you can just make one on PBtracker like we used to do it back in days. Then if it's good maybe they'll think about porting it there. But for now, I see no potential to add this here, and no run to add yet.

If you think i came here because i wanted my own leaderboard you are clearly misunderstanding me. If you dont listen to any arguments and just go in the no one runs it because it doesnt exist, thats why we dont create it, thats why no one runs it circle then you missed how a discussion works.

When it comes to requesting new categories, the general conesensus is that you do runs of it first and then you can ask if it should be added so the mods have an actual incentive to add it. People wanting to run a category is not enough traffic for it to actually be added, if you really wanted to run it that badly you would've already done runs by now.

I suppose I could do a run if you want, although in not certain when. Tommorow or the day after.

I don't want you to do a run because I'm not a mod. I'm just saying that if runs already existed it would give the mods more of an incentive to add your idea, but don't expect the unexpected to happen.

I suppose. It's gotten to the point to where I don't really care enough about this to do a run. Also ivenjoy never ran his game before, and I really don't have any intent on starting, so I say we lock this thread and abandon the idea.

i dont think a level leaderboard is a new category, every normal run contains multiple potential runs for that leaderboard, so i dont see how there are no runs for it. Also everything said against it was agains level-leaderboards in general and since many many games have level-leaderboards and doing quite good with them,so i dont see why we shouldnt have one here, aside from the mods not liking level-leaderboards in general, but thats a personal opinion which shouldnt matter when moderating a game.

What Avetixz said is wise.

there is il leaderboards: http://board.iverb.me/chambers/sp

yea, but not on this site. Why would anyone go there if we could have it here? this Website is way better.

For the purposes of the leaderboard, that board is WAY better than this one. You're saying that this site is better as if the cm leaderboard would run better here. It would not run even close to the ability of that board.

(Lol this makes no sense upon rereading)

the site neither offers other games or a forum. it is way better to have all runs on one site and we already have a site for that, this site. the only thing making the goal to have a united Speedrun site nearly impossible are people like you guys who abuse their mod power to keep certain runs away from the site. Sadly there is nothing i can do about that, so i can only give up and turn to other games.

"the only thing making the goal to have a united Speedrun site nearly impossible are people like you guys who abuse their mod power" I am pretty sure you haven't seen true mod abuse in the speedrun world, considering you started speedrunning pretty recently. You haven't seen the consequences of someone rejecting all your runs for no reason while his runs were verified without proof. Also, DaFatMan isn't moderator, so that argument is dumb.

" Sadly there is nothing i can do about that, so i can only give up and turn to other games." Yes and good luck :) (I am sincere, this is not irony)

Finally I want to add that we aren't saying that chapter runs or integrating ILs is impossible, we are saying that for now, it's not at all possible since it's impossible to merge iverb's leaderboard and speedrun com YET and iverb's leaderboard are way better; and also chapter leaderboards is not at all popular YET.

Why we use iverb's board instead of speedrun.com

1. A moderator doesn't need to verify every single fucking run; it is linked on steam

2. Again because it's linked on steam, submission isn't necessary and one can have their times on the leaderboard by just having the time. The problem with having it on speedrun.com is that it's a hassle to submit (For quite a few speeds I at least don't submit runs until the time is really good, and I'm sure many others do as well). With this site, it'll just happen, and everyone who has runs will be on the leaderboard

3. You can't have a ranking system based on your cm abilities on speedrun.com. Nothing of that would exist on this site, but it can exist on iverb's board

Flaws in your argument:

1. It really shouldn't matter if different parts of the speedgame are in different leaderboards. If it is done in order to improve one's experience in either part, it shouldn't be complained about.

2. It's not mod abuse; if there wasn't good reason to do so, the mods would not have made it on a seperate board. There is good reason, and therefore we do it.

3. For the Chapter run thing (I don't remember if you were the one advocating it but I'll bring it up anyway), this is a dead game, and very few people who actually play this game would want to run chapter runs; It's basically the tediousness of SS combined with the difficulty of CM (Tediousness as you need to do a lot and CM as in you probably want to do it much faster). Also, no one does new things; Many people fought for Container Ride Save to be a thing, and still it isn't popular.

Hopefully you read this and understand why this is the case. I am not trying to bash you; I'm simply clarifying the issues in your argument against us in the interest of IL leaderboards

to 1.: Why be a mod when you dont want to verify runs? That is the biggest part of it.

to 2.Only submitting good runs is normal and so taking the 30sec to submit every good run isnt really a big problem

to 3.: Speedrunning is about time not score, if CM is a score, i dont know the actuall meaning and google turned up nothing

to 2.1: more Sites = More complicated, more Work, different sites have different Wr's and so on and on. I think thats enough to complain about

to 2.2:if there wouldnt have been a reason then they wouldnt have done it, is neither a reason nor an argument. hearing the actuall reason would be an argument.

to 2.3: I find it funny that you complain in 1. about too many runs to verify and 2.1 is the exact oposite, not enough runs. Please decide.

I also dont want to bash anyone, i am just a little frustrated since i would like to run the coop chapters and i ended up with a lot of drama, instead of a :"ok lets try how it will turn out". It was a pleasure reading your well constructed comment btw.

"i would like to run the coop chapters" Noone said you can't run coop chapters. We just say that it might no be on the board. You know you can play without it being on the board.

But having a board here would make it better. thats the point of this website. Imagine a website selling shoes and then they tell people when they want some shoes that they can walk without shoes, makes no sense to me.

It was worth putting the work into creating a leaderboard when the one we were all using was being moderated by people who didn't care about the community. It was a leaderboard that was barely held together by a couple of rules and banned players. After tickrate, it slowly died and no one really cared to do anything about it, as it would require too much energy for something that we felt was not worth it.

Zypeh and friends got together and put up the leaderboards here, and we all took a bit of excess energy to upload runs with videos and/or demos, so it felt as if we had a new stimulus to put time into everything again. Little did I know, one mod had the power to remove the entire thing, and seeing as the mod whose in control of the rollbacks on editing the leaderboards (SgtKabukiman) is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to reach, I realized the entire thing was a lost cause... for two reasons.

1. No one wants to put the amount of effort into re-adding all of their times onto a leaderboard that is poorly maintained and bottlenecked by moderator activity.
2. If mods can just as easily wipe it clean anyways, it makes them absolutely pointless to begin with.

As of now, Iverb seems to be putting a lot of work, along with a couple moderators, into the new site, board.iverb.me, so feel free to use this site for all of your needs on the leaderboards. If you need a couple links which helps get straight to the portion of the changelog you're looking for, here are a couple of useful tips:

If you want all new wr's in changelog: http://board.iverb.me/changelog?boardName=&profileNumber=&chapter=&chamber=&wr=1&demo=&yt=&submission=

Wr's with demos: http://board.iverb.me/changelog?boardName=&profileNumber=&chapter=&chamber=&wr=1&demo=1&yt=&submission=

Wr's with videos: http://board.iverb.me/changelog?boardName=&profileNumber=&chapter=&chamber=&wr=1&demo=0&yt=1&submission=

Wr's with demos and videos: http://board.iverb.me/changelog?boardName=&profileNumber=&chapter=&chamber=&wr=1&demo=1&yt=1&submission=

Take whichever one of these links, bookmark it, and you don't have to deal with the slow transition to find the parameters you're looking for in the changelog, or add it as your homepage. Kind of a dumb tip, but it's there.

In conclusion, we don't need the speedrun.com IL leaderboards for a reference anymore, because Iverb has gone above and beyond the amount of work anyone else has done in keeping the community alive with a totally customizable leaderboard and changelog. Use it, stop this conversation right now, and have a good day.