for entertainment arustik! we wait for a reaction from starsmiley and meta! why they are hiding the evidence?
part 2 of expo2 story:
the winner: after the goal i turned around and i saw 9 runners blinded by the sunlight and getting confused by it. noone of them were smart enough to close the eyes and i guess also they are not able to. because i ran hundreds times this way so i can do it even blind by my experience!
the recording shows the start and then was cutted in the end.
the 9 other runners: noone wants to see you winning thats why we cut the goalscene out! you didnt see the goalline yourself!
the winner: i saw the goalline when i turned around! and i have evidence from my bodycam!
Referee: oh, i thought i had all evidence! seems i get only the one from the 9 runners. i have no time for that and give it to another Referee to look over it. but he has even less time than me, so next year maybe!?
for entertainment arustik! we wait for a reaction from starsmiley and meta! why they are hiding the evidence?
you dont need to wait, you just need to delete this before it go deeper since i think its pointless
I agree more with @4 to be exact
i highly agree
MyTH193_ so you think they do nothing even by having all evidence that proof me right and them wrong? you have seen something similar before?
dont think i got clue about the shit this thread is going around💀💀
for entertainment arustik! we wait for a reaction from starsmiley and meta! why they are hiding the evidence?
No need to wait as MyTH said. Besides they already saw enough evidence to agree that pizza did not cheat.
I think you should stop and delete this post before we're past the point of no return and the main parties just start melting down. Oh wait, we're way past that point....
So much as setting up a VM (Virtual Machine) with real shitty specs would produce comparable results to irokwe's test (Maybe not as extreme, but it would drive the point home) but I guess it's more convenient to keep this thread going and keep making yourself the victim (In addition to spamming the payday 2 boards but that's besides the point). You do you I guess.
with loading lag 22 sec RT ends with 12.5 sec IGT with a slowmotion time of 8.5 sec counting 2 sec IGT and 3 sec loading lag. 12.5 + (8.5 -2) +3 =22 sec
means lag only at the 3 sec start!
34.5 sec RT ends with 11 sec IGT with a slowmotion time of 10.5 sec counting 3 sec and 3 sec loading lag at start. 11 + (10.5 - 3) + 3 = 21.5 sec
34.5 - 21.5 = 13 sec additional lag time!
so for arustik and the video makers is a run with 1 lag the same as with infinity lag!
their way to proof nothing equal is the proof of not cheating because... they said so!
nasuper, that run was purely experimental to prove that yes, if the host lags the client can do as many interacts as they want because they've loaded in.
It was never mentioned that it was the exact same, simply a proof of concept.
If anything, you're proving yourself wrong over and over again, will you ever realize that?
Also, you cannot simply count time based on lag.
so they do experimental things that proof nothing because in the run, its all about, that doesnt happen! but it still counts as proof because they said so!
i do my work as supermod and give proofs, the others have no proof where i am wrong and when they think they have a proof, is it in the end a experimental!
in this video above the cheater didnt had his weapon in hands compared with this screenshot of the coop cheat run:
https://www.zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=23/32/sfsh.png
here he has the weapon in hands (arms up to the front) and is on the same spot as the thumbnail above!
so he was unable to get the weapon before that spot and before interaction of luna is done!
https://www.zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=23/32/44s5.png
here is lunas POV where you can see in the middle that the cheater has its arms down - so no weapon!
2 times the cheater proofed being wrong!
The source of this experience is that you tried to reproduce an event without being sure of the factors involved. When we carry out an experiment, we must also carry out a “control” experiment, that is to say, isolate a factor and therefore be able to conclude on its action. Except that here maybe the factor is not the right one. And I'm not inventing anything on this subject since it's about the experimental protocol, you who talk about experimentation. Furthermore, to have value an experiment must be repeated several times taking into consideration the "control", if your experiment is not repeated often, it has no scientific value.
That is not how these things work.
Plain and simple, the accusing party needs to prove, or at least provide overhelming evidence that supports, the cheating allegations. Not the other way around.
You use this https://www.zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=23/32/sfsh.png screenshot from the run as evidence, showing that a client was fully masked up before the host completed his mask up interaction, which is indeed not how things are supposed to be. Your entire argument hinged on the assumption that it is impossible for this to occur under host-client desynchronization, which was proven to be a false assumption. A compelling explanation for what could have caused the abnormalities in the run was provided.
It is not anyones job to isolate every factor that could be at play here (which is impossible for various reasons), do an empirical study, get published in a renowned journal and attempt to recreate the exact conditions to potentially prove that this could have been a natural occurence. Instead it is once again up to the accusing party to prove or provide overwhelming evidence that supports their claim, which has not happened.
Regurgitating the same fallacious arguments over and over again does not prove that anyone cheated in that run.
It was a necessary image as the other side tried to prove that it wasn't cheating.
Regarding the experimental protocol, you don't need to do an empirical study or publish it in a journal.
These are things that children are taught to do in elementary school, at least in France. Just repeat your experiment and isolate a factor for comparison.
I'm just saying that your "experiment", as it's called, is worthless for the following reasons. Unless you've managed to repeat it several times.
You could, but you won't, because the moderators have already decided which party they think was right. I was just reacting to the term "experimentation".
The source of this experience is that you tried to reproduce an event without being sure of the factors involved.
As stated before, it is simply impossible to understand all the factors at play here, the game is over 10 years old, is known for having a huge desync issue pre-update 150 (the update meant to fix desync YET it still happens to this very day), and is built on a 22 year old engine meant for racing games.
When we carry out an experiment, we must also carry out a “control” experiment, that is to say, isolate a factor and therefore be able to conclude on its action.
We isolated the factor that you guys keep insisting on (mask-up interaction being finished before host can) and have very reliably produced evidence that, once again, if the host lags enough, as very clearly shown in the run you guys keep claiming was cheated, it will desync the clients from the host, allowing the clients to execute actions seemingly faster than usual.
On this video you keep calling "evidence of cheating", you can very clearly see that within the first 8 seconds of the video, the loading screen stutters a lot. This is known as lag.
Look at literally any other video related to Payday 2 whatsoever and you'll see that the loading screen is meant to be smooth and not stutter at all.
I'm just saying that your "experiment", as it's called, is worthless for the following reasons.
This is equal to saying your experiment is worthless because I said so.
Also, on another note, why go after only pizza for this? Your screenshot clearly shows everyone else is already masked up, and highlights everyone but pizza even.
oh, now other players can do in a host lag interaction even faster! so normal 2 sec interaction is then finished in 1 sec or less! noone told this before and never did a proof of it, so you must be right, because you said so! i guess next time they can even fly! and because in the solo run he was faster with interaction it must be that his own lag did it!
his loading lag was... äh... under a sec! that must give him hugh avantage because... you said so!
why we go after a cheater who tricked starsmiley with fake proofs to a wrong decision? we didnt find a whipping boy, but maybe you want to be it!?
as you were there back then as it was getting for cheating rejected you said: one day we are able to make fake proofs and then we beat back! because the cheater have the right to cheat because... i said so! i was 0 years and 0 days a mod so i know all better!
"mask-up interaction being finished before host can" he wrote. before it was "must have weapon in hands before host finish his interaction"...
i guess when you cant win, then you just change the rules of it!
and forget something like "he was unable to get the weapon before that spot and before interaction of luna is done!"
AltRblx really like to help me!
Please stop bringing solo runs to co-op related issues maybe?
Pizza did not trick starsmiley, and Pizza is not a cheater.
You were removed for not listening to the community, not allowing the community to give input on decisions and silencing it upon there being backlash and you getting demoted afterwards (as clearly shown in this video), along other varied reasons:
You continuously going after pizza did not play as big of a role in it as you are making it out to seem.