Valhalla@Kaladere That's not a problem. Runs need to be watched anyway for verification. It's a bit tedious keep track of all files, but not a big deal.
@Vendettavic Don't worry, it's happening. We need to define the remaining little details and then we need a first exhibition run from someone.
Nobody has expressed an opinion regarding the infinite ammo for the category yet. Anyone?
@DeepStackDave what's your thought about the small variation of allowing the EPS Platinum Card, making the category the facto a "NG+ 100%"? I feel it would make the category more appealing, way less tedious and unnecessary long.
I would keep the naming "100%" rather than "Collector’s%". 100% is already a perfect definition of what has been proposed here. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun "100%, or full completion, requires the player to complete the game to its fullest. This often includes collecting all key items or upgrades, finding all secret features, or anything else that may be deemed important." In no game in the 100% category you need to kill a certian amount of enemies.
About the “All bosses” is something we can consider and discuss in the future maybe, but for now let's go in order. My bad proposing that in this thread, let's keep this thread about the 100% proposal.
@Nazzareno I assume what that originally meant was not to submit videos of the whole stream. Sometimes runners submit 5hrs videos and you need to find the run in the middle somewhere. Anyway, we removed it in order to avoid missconceptions.
and I would also keep the EPS Platinum Card out of the list because it can be obtained only post run with extra credits.
However, now that I'm thinking we could consider to allow the EPS Platinum Card (NG+/Infinite ammo) from the start of the run, in order to facilitate the grinding for points in game. Opinions?
Yeah I would not consider the ammo cartridge upgrades an object and so keeping it out of the list.
Just to recap what a 100% category would require to obtain:
FILES/BLUE DISKS (17) for reference: https://dinocrisis.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dino_Crisis_2_files
DINO FILES/RED DISKS (11) for reference: https://dinocrisis.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dino_Crisis_2_files
WEAPONS (10): Hand Gun (Regina) Hand Gun (Dylan) Antitank Rifle (Dylan) Flame Launcher Heavy Machine Gun (Regina) Missile Pod Rocket launcher (Dylan) Solid Cannon (Dylan) Shotgun (Dylan) Submachine Gun (Regina)
SUBWEAPONS (7): Chainmine Firewall Large Stungun (Regina) Machete (Dylan) Aquagrenade (Regina) Needle Gun (Regina) Shockwave (Regina)
UPGRADES (2): Power Battery for Large Stungun (Regina) Heavy Blade for Machete (Dylan)
TOOLS (4): EPS Gold Card EPS Silver Card Inner Suit Light-weight Armor
ITEMS (6): 3rd Energy Disk Plug Diving Suit Starter battery Gas Mask Mechanic's ID Card
KEYS (6): 3rd Energy Facility Keycard City Keycard Key for the Box Key Plate Living Quarters Key Research Facility Keycard
Let me know if this works and if I'm forgetting something.
You find me in favor of adding a new category to spice things up, but I'm not sure 100% is the best way to go though. I'm afraid it would be just a massive grind for points, making the overall run boring.
Unfortunately NG+ has no sense in this game, the run would be identical to Any%.
Personally I was more thinking about a category similar to Nemesis% in RE3, where we need to kill T-Rex, Plesiosaurus and also Allosaurus (where they don't respawn) at every encounter ...or anyway a category down that line. It is similar to your idea in a way, you need to grind points for powerful weapons, but at least for a in-game reason.
Anyway I'm not staying in the way of your idea, if this is what the community wants. I'm neutral on this matter.
Either way, it would be really useful to have a test/exhibition from someone to show the Mods a full run and to prove the feasibility of the run itself.
Just to confirm and keep track, the rule has been reinstated:
- Sub-weapon upgrades are not allowed. That actions INVALIDATES the run.
Hello everyone, some specific questions came out in regards of the Low% category lately. In order to avoid any confusion I thought to write down some specific examples of what invalidates the run and what doesn't after consulting with the Moderators.
At the moment the rules simply state the follow: "Main weapons cannot be used (except for destroying obstacles during the underwater section and the tank section)."
I wanna make sure that:
- Accidentally picking up Dino Files is not a problem. The run is still VALID.
- Missing the column/glasses during the underwater (without hitting any Dino) is not a problem. The run is still VALID.
- Missing the containers (during the tank section/T-Rex chase) is not a problem. The run is still VALID.
- Shooting with a main weapon at any other point of the run (even not hitting any Dino) INVALIDATES the run.
Additionally, I would like to ask the community to express an opinion regarding the upgrade of sub-weapons. Someone believes it should not be allowed because It doesn't respect the definition of Low%, which doesn't allow upgrades:. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun "Low%, or minimalist completion, requires the player to complete the game by obtaining the fewest key items or upgrades possible.". Someone believes it should be allowed anyway, giving a bit of flexibility. The category would become de facto a SubWeapons% (even if the name remains Low%). What do you think?
and thanks for adding PSVita and PSTV among the accepted console.
@Nazzareno Let's agree to disagree on this one.
I can see the run was verified at the end. All's well that ends well!
For me the question that needs to be asked to the community is: why do we want the autosplitters in the first place?
My interpretation is that autosplitters are typically requested to give a tool to Moderators to recognise spliced runs, and specifically in this case a door to door autosplitter makes a run impossible to be spliced. A unique for everyone autosplitter makes the submissions consistent for everyone, verify runs is easier and equal for everyone and RTA is always correct.
The loose interpretation of Nazzareno is that autosplitters are only useful to have a correct to the milliseconds start time and end time to give an accurate final RTA. All the splits in the middle are decided by the single runner depending on their taste. In this logic what he did was totally legit.
Personally I believe that with Nazzareno logic autosplitters lose almost all their logic and meaning, and it makes life of a Moderator impossible and makes it impossible to understand if the autosplitter is really being used or not.
The way I would personally solve this issue is with an agreement of the community to godfather the Nazzareno run because legit in the sense of no cheating. It was live-streamed and there are no real reasons to believe the run was spliced, however at the same time the community should agree once and for all that the one and only autosplitter file is the one provided in Resources section which cannot be changed. Making this run the last on PC either without autosplitter or using a custom made one. I hope this makes everyone happy.
First of all DC1 is not a dead community. You receive only runs from PC for a reason, it's because there is no reason for anyone with a PS1, PS2, PS3, Dreamcast, PSP, PSvita, PSTV and Emulators to waste time in learning this game if there is no chance on earth to compete against PC especially with Patch.
Second and foremost, can this be voted democratically by the community?
@MisterDodi can you please reply to the above message? My understanding is that in the past subcategories existed, but mods decided to merge them together because time stops in door transition. However, that's not the only way Console loses time versus PC. Especially now with the Rebirth patch PC can't be compared apple with apple against Console. Even without the patch, slow menuing, lower frame rate, keyboard vs. pad and input lags on Console probably accounts for minutes handicap in IGT compared to PC. Can the split be reconsidered?
If not granular as other games, I would at least separate PC and Console in 2 subcategories.
Yeah guys, there are dedicated Discord server for way smaller communities. Dino Crisis lumped in with Resident Evil makes no sense. That dedicated channel in the RE Discord is dead.
DuckStation is a good option and compromise until a Rebirth patch for PC will be released, which is lickly to solve all those issues.
Strange as it sounds, PS4/PS4pro/PS5 are also SD definition @Mogul @JarodRuns
I agree with @Hamo, this is the closest we got to finally have SD separated from HD after years of demanding. It's not a perfect proposal by any means, but it's a compromise that allows everyone no matter the console to have a dedicated leaderboard.
The question now is who is going to be the Mod of the original (SD definition) game and of the HD Remaster?
I hope this time it works out. Leaderboard needs changing.
@Nazzareno Yeah rather than be deleted, old Emu runs should go under a separated category (Legacy) or Misc. like they did in the Parasite Eve 2 board.
One additional point is that the tests made so far cover only one aspect of the emulators problems. The test is limited to one version of different emulators in the same machine. The reason why in PE2 community they were forced to select DuckStation is because it was the only and the most consistent emulator across different machines and graphic settings for the Parasite Eve 2 game at the end. All the other emulators were inconsistent even in the same machine with different versions of the same emulator, same version but different machines and even same version same emulators but different graphic settings. I'm not suggesting DuckStation for DC2. @Dimension_Bomber My point is you not only need to select one emulator and one only, but also decide which version of that emulator and possibly the graphic settings, so to have a fair competition.
@MODS please don't even consider merging together PSN and Emu ever again. It is a disrespect for console runners if not for timing at the least for philosophy.
