categories for IL?
7 years ago
Switzerland

so how are categories for IL runs gonna work?

first i though it could be ng and ng+, but that doesnt really work for anything beyond the first mission. what stopping me from just farming gear and levels for hours so i can get the perfect ng "mission 3" or whatever... currently the only way i see IL runs working is if theyre "second try" (when you redo a mission) only

so maybe we want to make level based categories for IL runs... like: categories "max level 30", "max level 40" and so forth. that way we can run the mission again and again at different level caps...

Germany

that sounds absolutely awful to me 4Head

Switzerland

well what other options do we have?

with the way to categories are setup currently for IL i could absolutely destory the records by just being way overleved.

like i did a run for mission 1 the other day (unoptimized) and it was like 1:30... once i level higher and optimize it i could easily get sub 1 minute with a level 100+ charcter

so comparing low level runs and highlevel runs of the same mission is really not an option.

either theres just 1 category for ng IL runs and its all OP overleveld runs completely destroying the level... or you make multiple categories with level restrictions...

what exactly sounds so awful about this to you?

Czech Republic

I am interested in running this game as my first, so I apologize if what I am going to write is not going to make any sense as I have no experience with speedrunning except following couple runners.

I don't think having too many categories like 'max level xx' would be good because it would separate the community and I believe it is better to have higher number of runners in between small number of categories rather than having many categories with few runners in each, if that makes any sense, more people in one category means more competitive community.

Anyone who wants to run this game will play this game casually first and end up on level 100+ and probably start off there, once you finish the game levels will scale up to 190 so why not make a category capped somewhere around that level? Destroying the early levels would mean being able to train the game faster and hence again, more competitive because resetting after a fail wouldn't cost you that much time and you would be right back in the action.

And then no gear bare hand runs of course ^^

edit: you can switch between 'way of the strong' levels and default version after you complete the game, mark of the strong is a scaled up sort of a NG+ mode, mission levels are scaled up between 160-190.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Switzerland

well im submitting some NG IL runs i did @lvl 110... the runs are kinda broken and when you level even higher you could get a slightly better time by oneshotting the boss faster... so the way ng IL runs work currently is just higher level = better time... so yeah that not so interesting...

if thats the way all ng IL runs are gonna be, so be it. i just thought maybe it would be more inetersting to ALSO run them with a level restriction

why not both? make a no restrictrions categorie and let everyone do a runs at level 999 or whatever and make other categories with restrictions?

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Czech Republic

fortunately you can de-level pretty easily by using the book to reset stats and skill points so it would be viable to have more categories like that I guess, I mean, with regards to what I wrote earlier by no means I want to restrict others fun, but I think plenty of people will feel like you do so I guess there's no harm into adding categories with limiters.

By the way I am currently making comparison video for speed and ki usage depending on armor usage, I would appreciate your feedback on it once I upload it if possible

Switzerland

yeah the more i play this game and think about it the level idea doesnt really work that well.

so yeah that not gon happen :D

im currently working on some ng and ng+ runs and i noticed the category for ng+ and twlight missions is missing. so yeah make me a mod so i can add those

Czech Republic

Even if you would impose max level cap rule, you wouldn't be able to limit level of guardians or the title ranks, since you can't de-level those. But yeah, Twilight category is missing as well as Way of the Strong category would be nice.

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