The idea of this category would be make it easier and invitefully viable to bring more people to the forum.

Since this game can get frustrating in full game runs (it is a hard game)

I was thinking in creating more simple categories, but also very fun.

I thought of 2 categories

- Versus - One Character

and

- Versus - All Characters

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(definitive rules are suggested on my last post)

I'm not sure adding more categories is worth doing until we see a few runs of the game. But I have thought about Versus categories. The problem I think there would be is if it's fastest just to manipulate the AI to kill themselves, it might become a repetitive and tedious run

I think you're right. For us who intend to give a complete run on the game it could be tedious.

Nevertheless, I think it would be a good way to bring people that feel like running the game but feel frustration in attempts in story mode. I can't count how many times I hated the game with my guts lol for bad lucks that kill the runs, for the auto aim for example. It requires a lot of patience.

The reason I still think it's a point consider is because some people become interested in running the game after they saw the rules of a category, and they see it's beatable.

Versus categories would be interesting! If there is sufficient competition or users requesting it, it can certainly be added to the leaderboards.

Maybe if these runs were on a map where you can't ring out your opponents i.e. NYC Streets, Avenger's Mansion, Roekel's Headquarters, then it might be more interesting and less repetitive. Subcategories for different maps or all the different characters could be interesting. It would be interesting to see how fast you can defeat all characters as Wolverine compared to as Iron Man

That's exactly what I thought. Yesterday I was running and managed to quickly ring 2 bosses out, just flying around. In those stages it would be very easy. cheap tedious run. But if it was in stages that actually requires fighting it would be a thing to consider.
Specially when you pick your character of choice AND your CPU enemy of choice. we would set differenty strats.

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I think it would probably be fine to choose any stage as long as it's not one where you can ring out your opponent. Also, for the All Characters category, would you be required to use the same character for the whole run?

That's a good question

The way I see it, it would be more challenging to use the same character, so player would have to practise with this character and it would make more sense having a prefer character. It would be less cheap as well, not changing characters to beat one or another. And also, less complicated.

But this is the way I see 🙂

About the stages, the problem with other stages is that they have too much hazards or things to throw. The power plant have so many huge things to throw that can allow you to kill opponents too fast using only this, and would be almost as cheap as ringing them out. The Roekel headquarters have so many hazards that makes you or your opponent ping-pong sometimes just hitting random explosive things.
I played NY and it seems perfect for a fair challenge because it only has a few cars and bus stops and light poles. There is plenty of space to maneuver around and only one huge thing to throw that is a Van.

As for the bridge and avengers mansion, There is not really a problem, except they are the most boring stages on the game imo. NY streets look more like a ring, the perfect place for a fair and balanced brawl xD

I suggested "All characters" to be 3 lives because is the default setting btw, and when you finish a fight and get back to character choose screen it is automatically set to 3 lives always, so it's better for fast pick. Also 3 lives seems a reasonable challenge.

While we decide I took the liberty and already made a run on versus one character, 🙂

There should be subcategories for some characters for the All Characters category. Like, it would be interesting to see how fast you could complete the run with Wolverine as opposed to Iron Man, Brigade or Paragon

You can ring out opponents on the bridge anyway so that rules that map out. I think avengers mansion is better for weaker characters cause there's not a whole lot of heavier items on that map. The Power plant might be a suitable map

I agree 3 lives is probably best for that category. Less than 3 would be too short and more than 3 would be too long

Power plant and NY streets are the most suitable maps imo. Although NY is still the most balanced. Because there are more cars that can be lift by big number of characters and just one super heavy object that is the Van. While in Power plant there are more of those giant tubes that can be lift by a very limited number of characters (only the super stronger ones)

To me both are suitable, as well as Avengers mansion.

We could leave the option to choose between the 3

// Avengers mansion // Power plant //NY streets //.

I think those stages are the best for Versus No Pits and no overhazarding stuff. And we can leave runner choose between any of those 3, up to the runner's strategy choice.

As for like subcategories, I think we should start slowly. If we were to create a subcategory for each character we would have too many subcategories. As you mentioned, we might wait a bit before there's a substantial number of runners before creating a large number of categories and sub ones. With just a couple of runners competing it would make not much sense.

For start I guess 2 simple Versus, one character and all characters, would be a good start. Because the one character is a more fast run. And the all characters works like an "arcade" mode.

Maybe later we could think about categories with weak characters as you mentioned 🙂

Yeah I think letting runners choose between those 3 maps would probably be fine. And yeah, I'm just talking hypothetically about the subcategories if the run becomes somewhat popular. But I do seeing this game getting some more runs if you, I, Star Falco (who's talked about doing runs again) and a few others start running the game.

I think there should be more of a focus on the story mode categories too, as I see a lot of potential for new strats in those categories too. Obviously, we have the AI manipulation to get the bosses to ring themselves out and a couple other strats but I definitely see some more potential.

Also you should definitely join the discord we have for the game. Me and a couple other people have been fairly active in there recently. https://discordapp.com/channels/301131399266697217/552533285839044609

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@MysticManiac I will definitively look up for my Discord account, I've lost like 2 years ago lol xD I promess

I nottice a concern from you to also use weak characters, as they are part of the game. 🙂 which honestly, I think is pretty smart. We could think later of a "mirror versus%" or something, where we have a sub category for each character. We would have to fight wolverine vs wolverine, elektra vs elektra and so on. Why not?

After all, the versus fights are the essence of this game basically.

Don't think there's really any need to obsess over these details yet in an unofficial category. On hard difficulty though, the AI is pretty good at avoiding giant objects with the super block

Agreed 🙂

So, to end conversation, I think @f1 should create the categories as followed:

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"VERSUS - One Character %"

• Win a single match on Versus mode.

Time starts when you choose the stage and ends in victory cutscene

Settings:

- Versus difficulty: HARD
- Stage: NY STREETS, AVENGERS MANSION, POWER PLANT or ROEKEL HEADQUARTERS
- 9 Lives match

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"VERSUS - All Characters %"
• Choose your prefer character and beat all characters in the game in the order you want.

Time starts when you choose the stage of first fight and ends in victory cutscene of last fight

Settings:

- Versus difficulty: HARD
- Stages: NY STREETS, AVENGERS MANSION, POWER PLANT, ROEKEL HEADQUARTERS
- 3 lives a match
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Any more things to consider? 🙂

Probably not for now. Subcategories for characters can be added later if it becomes popular enough.

I noticed that the Versus mode was added in Level Leaderboards. But I don't think there should be any for the arena's where ring outs are possible because it's easy to manipulate enemies to ring themselves out. So those are The Bridge, Daily Bugle and Grand Central Station

Also, I think the Versus - All Characters should also be included

I'm in favor of simply creating the 2 categories "Versus - One character" and "Versus - All characters" Inside the full game leaderboard itself.