Mario Kart 7 - Forums - Video requirement request

InprisonedShadow 8 years ago

Even if just the number 1 time had a video I would be happy I think it's silly not to have video required for a WR run. A webcam is like $10 to set up and record (I've seen Pokemon runs use it) yes it's not the best quality but it's something.

Just because something has been going on for a while doesn't mean we can't change it

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blazethecat 8 years ago

I have no idea the cost of webcams... I could take my friend's iPod and tape it to my head, but I don't know if it can record for an hour straight.

We can wait for the moderators of this game to see what they come up with.

even when i posted my runs (with video from a capture card) they got deleted for some reason lmao but people putting 0 effort in trying to record is silly

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I agree that something needs to be done for proof requirements here. That being said, I am still reluctant to enforce full video proof for runs because of the difficulty of live recording 3DS. Ideally I would like to find some compromise that would maintain legitimacy of the leaderboards without being too problematic for runners. Even if we were to enforce video proof for Top 3 (for example), I think that it shouldn't be applied retroactively unless there's some valid reason for doubting the legitimacy of existing runs.

[quote=InprisonedShadow]even when i posted my runs (with video from a capture card) they got deleted for some reason lmao[/quote] The only run of yours that has been rejected was a Flower Cup run that you had mistimed and had re-submitted (with the correct timing) before the mistimed submission was rejected.

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JTMagicman

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I really want to have it so video is at least required for WR not only would it help other runners but it will fully verify that the run is legit (not saying any others are not but it helps)

Im quite new to the mk community in the pokemon community you MUST have video to submit a run for it to be valid that includes the 3ds titles.

I would really like to push this and some others above in the forum here agree with me.

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Upon consideration, I think your request for WRs to have video proof is reasonable, despite issues with recording for 3DS. That being said, I don't think that it should apply retroactively, as mentioned before.

Also, given the current size of the MK7 community here, I think it would be best to appoint one or two dedicated MK7 mods.

blazethecat 8 years ago

That's fine by me. I'll try and find a way to record, if possible.

JTMagicman

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Feel free to remove my non-recorded run i will submit an old video PB (which is 10 mins slower but im glad this has happened)

REALLY? Wow, so much for the motivation to play this game, and I might even have WR potential...

Rookie and I are approved and verified on the mario kart player's page

it's not all about videos

established players with long histories of showing times, sharing ghosts, racing others etc, can all lead to a reputable source of information!

even a webcam would be awkward as fuck to try and record, all while emitting WR level gameplay for 75+ mins straights......

you guys are nuts if you think MK7 players need a vidoeo every time. im sorry but thats what i think.

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Upon investigation, I likely do not have WR potential. :P

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I understand and share your concerns about the difficulties of providing video proof for MK7 runs, Rhodechill. However, I also understand the speedrun.com competitors' desire for legitimacy. Requiring video proof for new WRs is the best compromise I've been able to come up with so far. If you or anyone else has a better solution, then I'm all ears.

It's not a compromise when it's literally:

The entire community vs. jtmagicman

Look at the 2nd post in this thread. Noone wants this.

MarvJungs

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Well. I think Video proof should only be needed if the Run is World Record , since the MK7 Community is not as big as for example SM64 and 3DS is hard to capture. So if Video proof is required , so only for the first or the first three places. That´s my opinion.

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Rhodechill: Regardless of your attempt at cherry picking, jtmagicman raised a valid point and I addressed it in the best way I could think of. As I said in my previous post, if you have a better compromise, then I'm all ears.

marvjungs: As mentioned in one of my previous posts, the current policy is that video proof is only required for new WRs.

^I can agree with that. I don't think it makes sense to have that needed in miscellaneous categories though. For example I have the BKT in the Nitro cups and my run is SHIT. No One has played the category much and thats why it's BKT as of now. i am unable to record on 3ds btw.

Rookie 8 years ago

It's actually ridiculous that you guys act as if we can't put effort into recording, when it's simply not a feasible solution to get a 3DS cap card. Would you want to buy a capture card more expensive than 3DS itself just to submit a MK7 run?

I improved my "WR" (its not actually a WR, it's the best time submitted here) and as a result I got my time taken off the list because of this new policy, and it's ridiculous. Webcams are incredibly bad, but they're even worse when it comes to recording 3DS footage. The angle is so ridiculously bad that it makes playing not only painful, but it makes the game heavily more difficult than it already is. I wouldn't be able to beat my times unless I got incredible RNG playing at the angle. I tried uploading a sample TC through it also, but webcams are just terrible and it only recorded 30 seconds in the end in god awful quality.

I am not capable of uploading an entire hour and a half video just to prove a record on here. It's pretty insulting that I'm even being questioned when I have done plenty in the past for this game to prove myself. The only differences is when recording Time Trial replays, you record replays, not live gameplay. You can use stuff other than webcams for better quality too. Here are some of my TT PRs:

If you guys just want to know what to do, I could honestly give some guidelines. For example, the most important parts of the run are generally the first race of each cup, because you get the opportunity to get a powerful item at the beginning without having to slow down. On TC, I reset until I get triple shrooms on the first box. It's frequently difficult because of CPU patterns, but it's the first track so I don't mind resetting

On Wuhu Loop, from what I've found the left item box is nearly almost always open and can get you a star, golden, or triple shrooms on occasion.
PPS is a bit difficult to get a box so it's probably best to just get into first immediately.
DKJ you can usually nab the outside box on turn 2 in 6th or something to get some shrooms
rLR you should go for a box in 6th, then take the outer ring for some of the early coins.
rKB you can generally get a box in 6th or so by taking the left route and seeing what will be open. If you don't get shrooms, focusing on coins and hopping high enough will usually get you to the no item sc lap 1.
rKD is tricky, as sometimes you'll have watch the train and likely take the offroad path.
rKC is pretty easy to get a low spot box, but the CPUs are really annoying here so you'll have to be careful not to hit them.

Some other things to note:

You need to master dodging blue shells
Always go for the star box on rDKP, even if you get shrooms in the end
Try to get green shells on rKC, because you can shell the first goomba for a free sc when the mushroom drops out
Coins to take in races are different than in TT, since coins respawn in races. A good example is on rCM, in TT it's fastest to take a coin at the fountain after the first turn but it's not the preferred option here since you can get the coins in the sets of 3s on the U-turns. On BC, you'll never have to take the barrel path either, since you can take the upper path again for 3 coins.
Optimal combo is for sure Metal Mario, B Dasher, Red Monster, and a non heavy glider (preferably Paraglider or Swooper)
Sandbagging on Maka Wuhu for shrooms first set is generally worth it, since the cut saves a lot of time.
Very situational, but on SGB or DKJ if a blue is coming you can gamble and throw a green shell at a barrel / the barrel mover things on SGB and occasionally pull a star. Very risky.
On rMT, go for the offroad at the beginning of lap 1. You'll usually end up with shrooms or a star in first at the expense of nearly nothing, so it's always worth it. I would avoid leaf piles outside of the 2 that are used in the wr run for coins, since they like to give you shells and bananas sometimes.

It's important to remember how useful coins are as well. You can chain backspam items in first because you can get single shrooms in first also for dodging blue shells.

Part of the reason my time is not being accepted though is because no players who are better than me are using this site either. I think the best time of the web right now is by Gogoku:

My recently submitted time is 1 second faster, but he didn't use our rules correctly which means his is actually faster. He started the timer when the game loaded. This alone should give you all an idea of how to drive each track in this game though, and it's faster than mine. Additionally I know a few German players from the team WEC have even beaten this by a minute or so, they just don't care to submit it. My time is really not good from my eyes. Unless encountering some really bad luck I believe I could sub an hour and 23 minutes on pretty much every attempt I make, and it's because I've just played this game for years, on TT, competitive matches, world cups, you name it. I would get the recording thing more on a game like MK8, where the times near the top are relatively close because many top players have submitted times for it, but in this game there simply isn't much competition at the top player level. I have a game capture device for my consoles. I've submitted a MK8 time, and honestly that time is better than the MK7 one I sent that was rejected. MK8 just has better competition. The reason why I have a capture card for that game though is 1) I got it off an old friend for free since he got a better cap card, and 2) I would've bought one regardless, but not because of MK8 speedruns. It's because I can use it for much more stuff, like team battles, TTs, Free For All tournaments, bracket tournaments, even other games like Smash Bros, you name it. If I got a 3DS capture card, it would be for just this. It's just not worth it.

I think I'm pretty mediocre as one of the better players in this game. If a player like Nicola or Weisse or Diogo ever tried this, they would certainly destroy my time. I really just don't think my times shouldn't be accepted just because we have a lack of top player presence on this site. I want to participate here, and I haven't ever lied about my runs before. Essentially, it feels like criminal treatment to the innocent here. I guarantee you I am not claiming anything spectacular. I am claiming a personal best that just happens to be the top ranked time here. We really need to rework the rules for this game in particular, because all these rules are going to do is push players away from wanting to play this category, and make it seemingly weak forever. This site will essentially say the WR is up for grabs to any above average player who goes out and pays money to record 3DS footage.

Also what Rhode pointed out isn't just cherry picking. It's legitimately reasonable also. I get the want for there to be videos, but it's completely obvious if someone is legit. I have no reason to cheat at anything. There's a lot more to lose than a lot more to gain by it. Oh, and my time isn't even a World Record. Also, it makes no sense to even keep any PRs without videos anyway at this point if you're just going to delete them every time someone submits something but leave them up if they don't...

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Trickyz

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rookie is a known player from "High Definition" clan, his times aren't fake, trust him :)

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