Weekly Leaderboards?
8 years ago
Poitou-Charentes, France

Hey fellow LADX speed runners.

So I had an idea the other day that could bring more activity to the community and add a little bit more competition from week to week. I was thinking, what if we had a weekly leaderboard for the main category. Every Sunday, we wipe the leaderboard, and award points based on each runner’s position on the leaderboard. This leaderboard is completely separate from PB leaderboards. Only runs that have been completed during that week can be submitted, they don’t need to be verified officially, but there has to be a video link with timer.

First off, who would be for this idea?

Secondly, any suggestions on what kind of points system we should use?

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Texas, USA

I like the idea but i dont know exactly how we'd pull it off

United States

I like the idea too. However, like Riddler said, we don't know how pull it off. "Someone" is going to have to create a leaderboard and all that jazz. For points/scoring, SRL uses "Microsoft Trueskill®", which is probably available in some form or other for people to use.

The idea, as it's pitched, seems like a runner can submit several runs. Like they do 10 runs a week (record them all), then submit for the leaderboards. I am less of a fan of this idea. What I would personally like is if a runner signed up for a time in advance and did one no-reset run and that time would be submitted to the leaderboards. In that way, it would be like a race, without a race, if that makes sense.

Unfortunately, like most ideas in LADX, it's going to take a lot of footwork to get the groundwork lain. That's usually where the problem lies with our projects (see: Bingo). But I fully support and endorse this idea, if it's possible.

ADDENDUM:

Trueskill is a commercial product (IE, we'd have to pay for it). Another form of player rankings can be done with this:

http://elo.divergentinformatics.com/

Each new player will start at rating of 1000. They become "provisional" when they do 15 "races". The rest is just clicking and adding the numbers together.

This then can be later disseminated, in all honesty, into a google spreadsheet. I imagine it very similar to how SRL does their races: Leaderboard ranking on the top (List of players, rankings, provisional/number of 'races', best time), and then under that, a listing of each race (in order of most recent). Each race will have a Date associated with it, number of racers, +/- score, times, (links to videos?), comment, etc.

At the end, this will take SOME manpower to get off the ground, sure. But it seems like (after it gets designed), it would take like... less than 1 hour per week for one person to handle all the data input.

The only thing I have not thought through would be the submission system, but that seems like a simple solve. (Where do people submit their runs, add their comments, etc).

Poitou-Charentes, France

I was also toying with the idea of only 1 run per person, but there was no way to stop people just submitting their fastest run on the saturday night for instance. I am not sure I fully understand what you suggest with signing up in advance for a time.

So, that idea for the scoring system seems solid, and it looks like it works. For data entry and maintaining it, I would be fine with doing that myself. You suggest using google documents for the points leaderboard? In that case, could we maybe add an SRC category for the weekly leaderboard, and someone wipes it weekly. Verifying it wouldn't involve the whole process verifiers need now, I don't expect anyone in the community would use emulator functions, but verifying would basically be making sure the run actually happened ect.

United States

The key to my thought is to have the run streamed, and that your stream time must be determined BEFORE you stream. So you sign up for a time first, you say you're gonna stream Saturday 5pm EST. You also probably will need to announce in stream that you're "doing the weekly" or something. That way, we know what run is the "official" run. Any run that is done after the stream time will not count. In theory, anyone can make a video and stream that, but that is something that can occur with weekly races too.

Of course, non-streamed runs would be accepted on a case-to-case basis or something, as long as the time can be verified(?)

I assume the amount of verification would be about the same amount as SRL. Sure, if someone finds something serious, things would happen. However, it's not really a big deal since this is just for fun amongst friends.

I guess the thing I did not think about is publicity. If this is a google spreadsheet or something else that is not an "official leaderboard" then the public and new runners will get left out. I hear wiki's are easy to create and maintain?

Rhône-Alpes, France

That sounds cool, I am for this idea. But yeah it's gonna be difficult to create a new leaderboard just for this, and new runners could be confused so you have to do it well. But it would be awesome and I'm sure it would bring new runners.

England

I like this idea! :)

If you're doing your "Weekly Run" there should be no resets. If you PB that's also a bonus :)

Texas, USA

if only i was still into html i could write us up a website...

Kappa

England

If only eh Riddler :P

Québec

could just make a new tab on this leaderboard and link a points board(google doc?) in the rules(along with some rules such as 1 run per person per week). You get the idea.

Québec

i just noticed cravone said the same thing, FML

Poitou-Charentes, France

Yeah that's what im thinking deln, it's like we have categories, what if we have a 'category' for the weekly leaderboard? It has the same ruleset as no S&Q, except that it has to be proven to be done during that week. Also, could we link the google doc somewhere on the LADX SRC page?

As for the 'state in advance' how long in advance? Sometimes I only decide 30 minutes in advance to run, or do we set a time each week? I also think, some people (particularly me) picnic on stream a lot, but still have the recordings of the run. I think to check whether someone did it during the time, we can check past broadcasts, as for making sure the run is legit, I would recommend accepting youtube videos.

Also, no resets might be hard to enforce, but would a gentlemen's agreement be enough for that?

I don't think SRC can submit like a time to run before, so we would need another mechanism for this too.

Also, cut off time for runs, what time in the week should we cut it off for the next week? I am thinking sunday evening.

Poitou-Charentes, France

I certainly do, not sure if I can make a new category, but that would be awesome. I would still be willing to maintain the scoring ect, using as zorlax suggested, ELO.

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