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  Wyattw8Wyattw8

All credit goes for this thread goes to to Neraigo.

This information is based of current information and is not necessarily 100% accurate, but this is the information that we base our Anti Point route off of. Bizkit047 has a video covering most of this information and will be linked at the bottom.

The following information is the most relevant to the speedrun.

The general rules for getting Anti Form(there are many exceptions):
-You must be in combat(yellow or red menu)
-You must have 5 or more Anti Points
-Sora must be accompanied by 2 additional Party Members
-Two Become One will guarantee Anti Form while in combat(except for the one time you get Final)

Exceptions to getting Anti Form:
-You can not get Anti Form while you have a total of 4 Party Members(e.g. Hercules during 2nd phase of OC Pete, Hades during OC2, TR Pete). This will however still give Anti Points
-Can not get Anti Form during Hydra
-Can not get Anti Form during Engines in Final Fights
-Can not get Anti Form during Core in Final Fights

Gaining Anti Points:
-Using Valor Form will give you 1 Anti Point
-Using Wisdom Form will give you 1 Anti Point
-Using Limit Form will give you 1 Anti Point
-Using Master Form will give you 1 Anti Point
-You can get Anti Points out of combat but not get Anti Form

Losing Anti Points:
-Getting Anti Form will reduce your Anti Points by 5
-Getting Final Form will reduce your Anti Points by 10
-Getting a new Drive Form (e.g. Wisdom Form after completing Timeless River) will reset your Anti Points to 0.
-Dying will set your Anti Points back to before the fight.

Exceptions to gaining an Anti Point:
-You can not gain Anti Points while Sora is alone. (e.g. 1000 Heartless)
-You can not gain Anti Points while you have a forced Party Member(e.g. Ping(before she becomes Mulan) or Captain Jack in Port Royal)
-You will not gain Anti Points while a Party Member is dead.

I will not go over percentage chance to go anti during combat because as far as the speedrun is concerned you should always have a zero percent chance to get anti form. The precentages are, however, covered in Bizkit047's video that is linked at the bottom.

Http:/​/​https:/​/​www.​youtube.​com/​watch?v=spOsvQ1QHqI

 
  Wyattw8Wyattw8

This is the current Anti Point route that the Beginner Any% route uses. This is highly subject to change depending on alternative strategies.

1 - Valor Form in Hollow Bastion 1: +1

1 - Valor Form before Missions: +0
Forced Party Member doesn't add Anti Points

1 - Valor Form after Missions: +0,
Forced Party Member doesn't add Anti Points

2 - Valor Form after Summit: +1
(optional minor time save ~1 second)

3 - Valor Form During/After Square Fight: +1

4 - Valor Form on the way to Urns: +1
(optional minor time save ~1 second)

5 - Valor Form after Urns: +1
(optional minor time save ~1 second)

6 - Valor Form during 2nd phase of OC Pete: +1
4 Party Member adds Anti Point but can not get Anti Form

7 - Valor Form After Parlor: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

8 - Valor Form before Thresholder: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

9 - Valor Form after latern Mini Game: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

10 - Valor Form before Shadow Stalker: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

11 - Valor Form docking in Disney Castle: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

12 - Before Old Pete: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

13 - Before Boat Pete: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

14 - During TR Pete: +1
4 Party Member adds Anti Point but can not get Anti Form

0 - Obtain Wisdom Form

0 - Valor Form during/after barrels: +0
Forced Party Member doesn't add Anti Points

1 - Wisdom Form Grinding 1: +1

2 - Wisdom Form Grinding 2: +1

3 - Wisdom Form before Treasure Room: +1

4 - Valor Form during Twin Lords: +1

5 - Valor Form during Prison Keeper: +1

0 - Obtain Limit Form

1 - Wisdom Form to Space Paranoids: +1

2 - Wisdom Form during Cube Mini Game: +1

0 - Obtain Master Form

1 - Master Form during Hostile Program: +1

2 - Limit Form during Demyx: +1

2 - FF Fights: +0
Sora is alone so any Drives during this will add no Anti Points

2 - 1000 Heartless: +0
Sora is alone so any Drives during this will add no Anti Points

3 - Wisdom Form on the way to Rumbling Rose: +1
(Optional) Skipping this allows you to drive during the Xaldin Fight

4 - Master Form during Grim Reaper 1: +1

5 - Master Form During Grim Reaper 2: +1

6 - Valor Form before Xaldin: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

7 - Wisdom Form down the Mountain: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

8 - Valor Form Before Storm Rider: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

9 - Wisdom Form before Roxas: +1
This would normally give us Anti Form but we use the Drive outside of combat

0 - Double Anti Form before Xigbar: -10
Getting Final Form here would also put you at 0 Anti Points.

1 - Master Form during Xigbar: +1

1 - Limit Form during Luxord: +0
Sora is alone so any Drives during this will add no Anti Points

2- Limit Form during Saix: +1
(Optional) Peter Pan is an alternative strategy

After Saix we should never have to Drive in a situation where we would have a chance at Anti Form but I will document them anyways.

3 - Wisdom Form before Xemnas 1: +1

4 - Master Form during Engines: +1
It is not possible to get Anti Form here

5 - Valor Form after all Nobody waves are killed in Core: +1