This thread is mainly a reminder of the recent leaderboard discussion going on in lights of a new exploit being found, regarding All Hearts for the most part, but also Any% and ARB. As of right now, there hasn't really been any communication or response from the leaderboard moderators regarding this topic, and I'd love to know their stance on it and hopefully push for change. There seems to be a pretty unanimous agreement from the community about this change, along with the developer supporting it and stating, that the related exploit will not be fixed, so this shouldn't be swept under the rug. @TGH @baldjared @seckswrecks
The proposed changes were:
- rename "All Hearts" to "All Levles"
- add a main category "All Hearts" with a ruleset along the lines of "Collect all 24 Hearts in the game"
- change the Any% ruleset to something like "Reach the credits/Beat The Summit from a fresh file" (remove the requirement to beat all A-Sides)
- change the ARB ruleset to something like "Beat Core A-Side while collecting all 175 Strawberries" (remove requirement to beat all A-Sides and collecting 4 hearts)
I don't want to go over the reasoning for all of this again in detail, but to summarize: These modified rules should better reflect the actual intend of all categories, stating only the objective without unnecessary and redundant restrictions, and therefore officially allowing different routing choices than the current standard. The addition of All Hearts would create a unique and interesting category, that is very separate from the other categories in that it doesn't require any A-Sides to be beaten.
For further discussion about these proposals, please refer to the following links: (1) https://www.speedrun.com/Celeste/thread/vlnn9 (2) https://www.speedrun.com/Celeste/thread/866fy (3)
I'd assume the changes for All Hearts/Levels and ARB will go live right away since the developers officially gave the go ahead in the discord just recently (I think it was last night but I'm extremely bad with time), but I'm wondering if the changes for Any% will be withheld until the tournament concludes. It seems a little weird to have a pretty major ruleset change like this midway through a tourney, IMO. But again that's up to them and not me :P
I'm personally excited to see what people will do with the new All Hearts category and I hope that the category is active enough to warrant a spot on the main boards.
I'd assume so too, but it was 3 days ago since the developers confirmed that it will stay, and nothing really happened since, which is the reason why I made this thread. Any% isn't so much a rule change, but more making the rules what they should have been in the first place. Also some arbitrary tournament shouldn't influence the integrity of the leaderboards.
also wait, why we should wait for the tournament for changing the Any% ruleset? at this rate a plot twist like someone having guts for taking the 5b route in the tournament would be a fucking nice show (and a nice self-sabotage for the one who decides to take such a decision).
i wasn't suggesting that myself, was just proposing as a reason because other communities i've been in have done similar stuff when route changes were found. im all for it being changed and don't think the tourney should stop that7
A tournament usually has stages so just wait till the next stage of the tournament is about to start and add the rulechange there. that will be a clean cut and spice up the later matches after the group stage.
Alright, apparently we are voting on it now .... ¯_(ツ)_/¯ So for anyone invested in this, please go vote on the Discord in #server_and_srcom_suggestions_and_voting
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