Agree! We should also update the category rules for more precise start and end time.

I'm proposing this:

• Timer starts on the first frame when donald's airplane starts moving when selecting a stage
• Timer ends on the first frame when the orb starts breaking OR when the boss starts moving down

@petaQ, looks like your last run is 15:24.933, not sure if you stop the time a bit late or if it's because of the youtube video quality. I've used https://somewes.com/frame-count/

btw @MasterWelch, by : "i think i will be doing some uploads off original hardware" do you mean submitting a run? that would great :)

also my bads, I thought Secret Command was both US and Europe but it seems it was only for Europe based of SMS Power: https://www.smspower.org/Games/Ashura-SMS

Then yes, it would mean it's better to run Rambo (U) for NTSC (60Hz). Moving forward, I will play with Rambo for my next runs.

indeed 50hz is slower by definition. But do you mean when playing Secret Command on NTFC is slower than Rambo?

"i do know it takes 3 green canisters to achieve grenade arrows". I'm not sure if I understood what you mean here

I'm actually looking forward to seeing upload of the original hardware, it would help to compare. Also would be great to have good quality video so things can be compared properly.

Discussing about with other people, yes emulator won't be 100% precise as the original hardware.The emu PB record is not the standard, both console and emulator are accepted. Majority (almost all) SMS leaderboard has mixed console & emulator. Especially for this game there are very few runners (just 2). In my opinion I think it's great to allow people without the original hardware to run.

This discussion might come up again as we get more runners and runs. One solution is to 2 separate categories: hardware & emu. aparently some leaderboard is doing that. I would also point out for strict rules or more authentic runs, other plateform might be better (for instance speeddemosarchive). speedrun.com is in general more relax about it, depending on the popularity of the game of course

I've noticed there is a v1.0 and v1.1 for the US release. Does anyone know what are the differences between those 2 versions?

I cannot find any page, except this one but doesn't help https://www.smspower.org/forums/17900-CastleOfIllusion#110171

I think this is called a bit flip or something and it happens rarely, but depends on where you are on earth or in the universe. it can also be due to the cardrige not properly inserted, I remember they found a glitch like that for mario 64. It sounds like trying to manipulate the real life RNG ahah

I'm getting in touch with @btrim so I can provides assets & settings :)

What about changing the theme of the leaderboard. I've create a background & foreground, I think it looks great!

I've made a short video to show how it looks like

I've tested on Tom & Jerry leaderboard, I will keep like that for a day or 2. if you want to see a live preview: https://www.speedrun.com/tom_and_jerry_the_movie_the_game

unfortunately no, I wasn't able to reproduce it. I will try to record my attempts to do this glitch

apparently there would be a way to wrap tom the other side of the screen. Something discovered by Emsemts.

• "Tom went left and did come out right . I do not know how I did this only happened once I believe stage 3 or 4."
• " I do believe it was timing when jerry is moving forward Tom moves back and it was a jump-"

if we can reproduce that, that would help to make stage 3 and 5 faster and maybe get a sub 1 min!

the run was submitted with a time of 1:11.900 but frame counting with the new start I found 1:10.250. I'm gonna update the time, you are back 1st :)

it was submit with a time of 1:37, I frame counted it I found 1:36.683

you are playing on the PAL version (25 FPS) so you might have a time of 5:49 you played it on NTFC version. I would recommand to redo the run with the right emulator config, if you are still active

I was able to put in a run https://www.speedrun.com/tom_and_jerry_the_movie_the_game/run/ywk5og3y

@wrayal are you going to try a run?

found this funny glitch while going through a wall, running and jumping

I've tried some run yesterday, I found a way to time sprinting so jerry doesn't drop any mine or bomb, the the screen scroll quicker:

it works! yeah not easy to get the right rhythms but might be possible to use after some practice.

to catch jerry when it climbs is all about timing, I would say it's pretty consistent unless it throws a bomb. I haven't try to do that for other level but it's pretty much having enough distance for jerry to go up and tom to be able to run right before the climb.

When I got some time I will try to calculate what distance needed. I will post when I got something

I've tried, can't reproduce it... is it frame perfect? like it's a TAS. otherwise you put some action cheat to remove some collision detection

that's great! what did you do to make tom go through the plateform? I was considering to improve by making jerry climb and catch at this moment, same as level 2 (Garden). I might going to try that soon, thanks for sharing :)

During the follow the monk glitch (Scriptorium), we can access the tower part. From there there is another glicth with Berwal cutscene that change William hit box to have a negative height. We can then go through anything and go straight to the Abbey, the last part of the game.

Bad news is the cutscene doesn't load, so we cannot progress since the executioner is not loaded. We still have the ghost ability to go through walls, so we can go directly to the secret entrance and splash Juliette

But then we get block by the door that bring us upstair where we need to push the cross. For now I'm think there are 3 ways to pass that door:

• Glitch to unload the door by dropping and picking up items (Alone in the dark glitch), that might have been fixed for time gate
• There might be a way to trigger the cutscene, kill the executioner and then open the door normally
• Maybe there is way to get a glitched william with some saving manip, or maybe we can get into a ghost state again

here is a cheat run for this shortcut, I've used the room viewer to pass the door