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United StatesVelatoget1 month ago

I do think the route you shared is cool and interesting, and non-NG+ is generally in the spirit of what we've been calling true Any%.

Since a run of NG+ Any% already exists, I think that'd be quite fine too. It also showcases more of what the game has to offer, with a unique run/character choice.

In the spirit of Boshy speedruns, all existing categories are NG+ or have a character pre-selected. It would seem most consistent to allow for that with a "true Any%" category as well.

Your point here is also in the spirit of Any% across all types of games: "WW can be utilized by binding Shoot to Reset and shooting the savebox"

This, generally, is not: "or savefile copying using the Windows GUI", because speedruns generally rely on what is capable of being done in-game, not external to the in-game experience.

Any% means taking the quickest approach, so EZ logically makes more sense.

But whatever you guys want to do is fine. My thoughts are more in-line with documentation.

So for reference, and for documentation's sake on SRC, here's BBF's run of NG+ Any%:

With that, I've said my piece, and I'm sure you're all sick of this thread. Do with the info what you want.

United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

I just have to point out that the video you shared of Yaga just has one sentence of basically "it would be boring".

That doesn't necessarily mean Yaga thinks it shouldn't have a leaderboard. I mean, at very least, there should be a thread started where people can post their runs. It's a part of the game, it can teach Boshy speedrunning mechanics, it could (theoretically -- though, I'm sure it wouldn't) lead to other potential exploits in existing categories, and I'm sure there are more people out there who don't have the opinion of "it's boring".

I mean, should the run at least be documented somewhere on this site, since it's part of the game, and it's the most standard speedrun category of games across all of speedrunning? And yeah, I suppose a category extension works fine too, but it seems a bit extra. A whole new page, for the standard speedrunning Any% category. But that's just my two cents, I'm not pushing!

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United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

Some of the warps in SMB1 Any% are intended, some are not.

Yes, I'm aware there are OS specific strats. I've been watching Boshy speedruns since 2013.

And yes, I agree - speedrunners should be in charge of creating categories. That's speedrunners with an "s" at the end. Not just you.

And sure, you can try to overcomplicate the Any% category to try changing the timing, but that doesn't mean the run doesn't exist. Also, timing that would be unnecessary unless it happened during the gameplay itself, after beginning the game.

Anyway, I'll see myself out now.

United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

I honestly didn't care that much when I started this thread, it just seemed logical to display speedrun times for the game on the speedrun leaderboard. In fact, I still don't really care that much.

I just find it odd how you're so adamant that your opinion overrides all opinions, and that you're so staunchly against adding a very standard speedrun category to the leaderboards.

Any% is the standard speedrun for all games.

Easy solution: Reach out to the top 5 or so runners on the leaderboards, and get their opinions on whether the leaderboard can display Any% or not.

United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

It's 1 category. It won't cause category clutter.

The main category of SMB1 is an Any% category that plays only a fraction of the levels of the 2nd main category.

And yeah, it's difficult to find other Any% runs because they are hidden from the leaderboard. Or maybe there's really only one runner. I don't see how that matters. Without a leaderboard, why would someone put much effort into it?

I feel like all of these points are irrelevant. The purpose of a leaderboard is to show who played the game fastest in various categories. Like it or not, that run still exists, you just don't personally want one extra 60x40 pixel button on this site.

United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

In my comment that Hachmimen deleted, I also pointed to other games in which short categories are allowed on the leaderboards, including the most popular category in Super Mario Bros. 1, Link's Awakening (OG, DX, and Remake), plenty of other popular games.

And technically, I am a player of the game. It seems like the other runners are in a consensus here, along with speedrunners in general.

United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

because they suck

An opinion. "Because I don't like this category personally, it shouldn't be included."

Any% WW should probably not be a category just because it misleadingly suggests such a player qualifies to be considered a Boshy speedrunner.

An opinion. "Short speedruns of any game are bad and irrelevant because longer speedruns showcase more skill." Super Mario Bros. 1's main category proves that incorrect.

I have a conservative view on how adding categories should be handled

An opinion. Okay, and other runners might feel differently, as seen in the thread above.

it potentially enables completely unskilled players to have a say in the community.

If you look at a leaderboard like Zelda: LADX, you'll find that the majority of the people who even try a short category are a part of the longer categories as well. Likewise, the people at the top of the leaderboards for short categories are also at the top of the leaderboards of the longer categories.

All of your arguments are just "I personally don't like short speedruns." But okay, I don't see how that matters.

Short speedruns are still ran faster by faster speedrunners.

Short speedruns don't suddenly attract tons of speedrunners that don't know the game.

People have still done Any% runs, whether you like to imagine they exist or not. The leaderboard is just inaccurate by omitting them.

I get why it's annoying that a non-runner of the game is suggesting the leaderboard to accurately reflect the speedruns of the game.

My goal is just to push for a discussion amongst the actual speedrunners to decide whether speedruns of Boshy can appear on the speedrun leaderboards or not. Not decided by you alone.

Because, it's very normal for shorter speedruns to exist on leaderboards in games that also have longer speedruns. Boshy itself has longer speedruns like Rage mode and 100%, but it still allows for Any% (No WW, DBO). It seems like a nonsensical, opinion-driven argument that doesn't hold up to any amount of scrutiny.

United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

@castlecat4legend Yeah, it should just be called Any%. The current leaderboard Any% is "Any% (No WW, DBO)".

The difficulty of Any% is just whatever is fastest, so yeah, there wouldn't be separate leaderboards if someone chose to change the difficulty to something harder, they'd just have a slower run.

United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

@Hachimen "It's a legitimate category, just not an interesting or fun one."

See, that's just personal opinion. I have always found it a very interesting category. It shows the absolute edges of how broken the game is, and it's literally the fastest anyone has ever gone from starting the game to seeing end credits.

I think you are injecting your own opinion into it too much. It might not be interesting to you, but someone else can find it interesting. There are billions of people on this planet, with different opinions about everything. You may not find it fun, but others possibly do.

I appreciate your concern about co-op, but people have run it, and people will run it in the future.

True Any% makes a lot of sense, once you remove personal opinions. Speedrunning is about beating games quickly, and that category is beating the game as quickly as possible.

Co-op is also a built-in, intended feature of the game. So maybe you want a miscellaneous parent category, and just shove these 2 categories in there.

There are thousands of games with categories where there's only 1 runner. And there are plenty of games that actually do have too many useless categories.

But first, there are multiple runners for both co-op and Any%. Furthermore, these aren't meme categories like "blindfolded", one-handed, or some nonsensical end-point.

My thoughts, both categories are worthy of having leaderboards. But at very least, Any% should be on there.

But really it's up to the runners themselves, I just wanted to share what makes sense to some like me, who browses a lot of SRC games/categories.

United StatesVelatoget2 months ago

Just my 2 cents, even though it's only ever had a few runners, I think True Any% should have a leaderboard. It's the fastest anyone has beat the game, and serious runners have run it, so why not include it?

United StatesVelatoget6 months ago

I was watching a playthrough, and I saw this funky movement. He gets up the ledge without jumping/climbing.

This movement might apply elsewhere. It only appears to save less than a second, but if it can be used in multiple places in the run... every second counts.

Stupid share, but sharing anyway :)

United StatesVelatoget7 months ago

GG!

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discussione: Speedrunning
United StatesVelatoget1 year ago

Between the 3 Microman games, I've created, routed, and ran 12 categories.

They're not perfect, but they're decently optimized based on my findings. Certainly some room for improvement on each game and category. Each game in the series is an old-school, easy to pick up and play 2D sidescroller.

I'd love to watch and help runners learn it if they're interested.

Microman 1

This is the original shareware many '80s and '90s kids grew up with. I love this version the most. The version 1.5 category is set as the primary category because it was the most widely played version. It's just a simple "beat the game" Any% type category. Mostly straightforward except for a trick that gets the final boss stuck in place. Though, each of the 5 categories has its own style if that's not what you're into!

Microman 2

This game was only given to people who bought the registered Microman 1 game, but has since been provided for free to the public by the creator of these games. It's a cute, even shorter game. The only downside is that there are 51 speed settings for the game. So I had to establish a "default" speed (33). With that said, there are 3 categories to choose from in this game, depending on how broken, glitchy, or "intended" you want your run to be.

Microman's Crazy Computers

This is technically version 3.2 of Microman 1. It appears that the creator of the first 2 games went on to found a company called Hipsoft. From there, he decided to turn Microman into a game more respective to that current year (2003). It's a pretty boring game compared to the first 2, but it still features some really intense movements and precision to get a good run. There are 4 categories for this game. The primary category (All Discs, Advanced) is the longest at over 1 hour, but by far the most interesting and intense to run. However, there are shorter categories, including a 2 minute category. The shortest category is actually the only Microman category with another runner, and they tied my time.

Anyway, I'm a big fan of this series, and I know a lot of people who also really adore it despite its flaws. If anyone is interested, please join in! I'd be more than happy to watch live on Twitch, help, or anything like that if needed. Each game has links in resources and guides, if needed!

Just figured I'd give this forum a shot :)

discussione: Perfect Dark GBC
United StatesVelatoget1 year ago

After a closer review, I've updated the timing to what makes most sense for this game. I also added general information about GBC speedruns. I hope that's alright!

A lot of emulators and equipment don't run this game (or other GBC games) properly, so I included the details about that.

I hope the community will agree with me on these. I've worked on a good amount of leaderboards, so I think what I've got is consistent with the expectations in the GBC communities :)

You can reference Zelda: Link's Awakening DX for similar details.

discussione: Perfect Dark GBC
United StatesVelatoget1 year ago

Sure, I can moderate @endeavorgaming Thanks for checking and adding the Any% category. Feel free to add me as a mod.

discussione: Perfect Dark GBC
United StatesVelatoget1 year ago

Eh, maybe they just haven't signed in. Maybe @Speedruntrainer can help get a category up :)

discussione: Perfect Dark GBC
United StatesVelatoget1 year ago

Two possible approaches:

  1. Timing based on gaining & losing control: Starting could be the first blackout frame after entering your file name. Then ending on the first blackout frame of the final dialogue (after Joanna says "I'll be ready!").

  2. Timing based on the first & last "meaningful" inputs: Starting on the first frame you gain character control, and end ending on the first blackout frame after defeating the helicopter in the final battle.

Personally, I like approach 1, but approach 2 is perfectly fine.

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discussione: Perfect Dark GBC
United StatesVelatoget1 year ago

That's a good point. Looks like runs can't even be submitted. We at least need an Any%

United StatesVelatoget1 year ago

This one seems to be posted in the wrong area? It says CQ3, but this is CQ1. Same video as your other record.

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