But- that has nothing to do with being a kid. BibleThump
You can't make someone admit to something that they didn't do. 😑
Let’s just close the forum to be honest, we’re just fighting. And if that’s the reason why this forum is going on then let’s just close it
@HUMANRAC3 Sadly,even if we close this forum,if then someone asks another category (despite it being good),we're gonna fight again because of reasons from dump.
Okay then just ignore dumpdome right now and focus on the forum
Look man I never called you a child. I haven't seen anyone on this thread attack you or call you a child. All anyone did on these forums is present their thoughts until you came in with your "I'm right if you disagree your mean and bullying me" mentality. No one here has been instigating a fight except you. None of us like drama except you. If you want us to stop fighting on the forums then how about you stop trying to instigate fights and just listen to what the other side has to say and calmly debate instead of arguing.
That being said the reason I'm not against 10x cannonless staying up while not adding 10x any other star is because while yes I'll admit that setups have made it less of a fun category if you want to compete with top times or just compete with others in general (which is what leaderboards are for) then you still need to go for og because doing a setup 10 times will lose a lot of time over the course of the run.
That being said no matter how you do owless you can get consistent at it. The fun thing about 10x cannonless (at least if you do og) is that there is no way to consistently get it because it's precise beyond human consistency. Owless well never be that way so if you just practice it enough then you can nail it 10 times in a row pretty much everytime, which is what I mean when I say it's more or less just a practice category.
About what you said of cannonless,yes! In races (or just doing a vs about this category with another runner) using other setups might lose a lot of time and people would go for og but at the end of the day,if (in this category in general) runners use setups and the wr doesn't even matter (as dump said) why should it be on the leaderboard? couldn't it be just a race only category? (i'm not even trying to cause drama with this (nor i was trying to cause it before),it's just a question!)
The last couple pages have been severly offtopic. Please try to keep your thoughts on point guys for everyone's sake otherwise there isn't any hope of people taking category suggestions like these seriously. That's just how it is.
@lostontheinternet To asnwer your question, races are something entirely different. They're typically no-reset enforced and the concept of "race categories" arn't exactly the kind of thing that exists in speedrunning. Any category CAN be raced but new categories arn't made specifically for that purpose.
Take OoT for example; some meme categories for that game allow you to skip the intro cutscene and still be able to submit to the leaderboards - and that's good for races - but that rule isn't there to make that category racable, it's just an inherant rule of the category when it was created.
As for 10x Canonless itself, it exists today simply because it always has since back when they had OG as the only method available to them. It was created as a joke, not for real consistency practice (because OG was all about luck).
I think the difference of opinion for why some people do and don't like the idea of 10x single star is that it goes against the idea of it being a meme and there are people that feel like there's no point submitting a leaderboard time if it's "just practice".
Whereas I (and it seems some others who have shared their thoughts here) feel like it's because I get to submit a time with my practice that it becomes useful because I'm able to guage my rate of progress better as I continue practicing. It's a wildly different way of thinking and I can see why it's seen in a weird way. I've heard some even say it's illogical. It's not how people generally do things - which is why I believe it's seen as "unnessessary".
Just because it's against the grain doesn't mean that way of thinking is wrong though; everyone is different and people practice in different ways. I just feel like if there's alot more than just myself that feels like it'd be a helpful category then it's worth the community's time to at least consider giving people that option because I can't see a single reason why allowing it would harm the community in some way.
Currently the closest thing to this is the Stage RTA google doc but it's only showing the fastest method of collecting a particular star once as a resources reference, it's not a leaderboard for the whole community's use in it's own right as a form of guaging improvement which is the big difference.
-MyTwoCents
finally we have someone who stands both opinions without getting mad!
Wanna start this again? I've already said that i'm not the one who caused drama nor i'm the only one who's getting mad at this bullcrap! other ones who wanted this category probably got mad as well,there isn't any proof on their comments but i can feel it.
you know that answering a question is better than cease to post stuff? Kappa
@everyone can ya'll shut up and just not post if it's not about the original source material so the thread doesn't turn into people attacking each other? thanks!
seriously this thread didn't need to be revived, if he didn't want to ask the question 10 days ago what makes you think going back and asking him what his question was would make him change his mind, it clearly wasn't important.
this thread has overstayed it's welcome and needs to be locked. It's turned into a thread where people are attacking each other instead of debating about the new category it was supposed to be about. We've all stated why we think it should and shouldn't be added, and that's all the thread should do, end of discussion.
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