Hi everyone! I couldn't find a definitive answer, so I thought I'd ask y'all if skipping QGA and doing the spore shroom route through deepest instead could save time in the long run from the HK fight. How much faster is the HK fight with shroom instead of shaman + VS? I'm familiar with the route from Steel Soul runs so I was wondering if I should change my Any% NMG routing (I run current patch). Thanks!

Hello! My understanding is that with perfect or near perfect execution spore shroom rout is just barely slower (10-20s), but it's important consider that it will also be significantly easier for most people. Not only is qga skip difficult, but the petra arenas are slower in current patch, and the thorn warp that saves several seconds is patched out. Because of this, unless you're willing to put in enough practice to reliably execute queens garden rout perfectly, you will probably save time by going with sporeshroom, I know I did

Yeah,I use the shroom route and,if you got both of them(QGA&to get shroom) perfect,then the part of [umu→herra] will slow about 20-30s. Will,if you go and visit the ComSob,you'll find the best time of shaman+VS is 3:08.51,but the shroom is 2:50.96,obviously,in THK fight,the shroom is faster(but it has a lot to do with luck),so,in total,the QGA is faster than Shroom. Buuuut,you can go shroom first,when your record is hard to progress,then switch to the QGA route,I think it's a good choice. Tips:The Shroom THK fight is only available in 1.4.3.2.

My PS4 is bad so the loading times are longer than expected and the mods think that I'm splicing EVEN THOUGH IM STREAMING IT. 4 of my runs have been deleted for the same reason. It's so annoying what can I do about this?

Thanks for all the replies, these have been really helpful! I normally am able to do QGA within the first few tries, but I definitely think I lose a lot of time in the gardens. With that in mind I think I might switch my routing to shroom since I already have more practice with the deepnest route lol.

Now, in regards to what Michaelo was saying, does that mean that running 1.5.78 is slower for the THK shroom fight (or just not possible at all)? I haven't tried downpatching before, and would like to avoid it if possible, but I might have to if there is a significant time loss in the most recent patch. I'm still pretty new to using the shroom charm on the final fight, so I might not have noticed if I was doing it wrong on previous attempts. Thanks again!

1. The movement of QGA route is obviously faster than Deepnest route.
2. Spore Shroom deals quadruple damage to THK in 1.4.3.2, which is allowed in NMG rules. So it will make THK fight faster. Spore Shroom is just on the way to deepnest and is easy to fetch.
3. In 1.5.78, spore shroom deals correct damage. So if you choose Deepnest route, just ignore Spore Shroom. If you have a perfect movement, QGA route is better. That's why WR choose this route. But if you lose time in Queen's Garden, it might be slower than Deepnest route. If you lose lots of time, it might be slower even in 1.5.78. So if you don't aim to be WR, just choose a route you like. If you aim to be WR, you have to choose QGA route and make a perfect movement.