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  oddtomoddtom

Are there any rules against using this? Betting glitch and dog glitch aside, most of this game's glitches are useless, but this one is potentially useful. It doesn't make sense for the marriage runs, but for the photos run, it means corn / cabbage can persist beyond summer / spring, which means less trips to Ann / Maria.

Around 4:00 mark:

 
  The00berNooberThe00berNoober

Using any glitches, including this one, are allowed in runs

 
  oddtomoddtom

Good to hear- I think I read somewhere that it is "frowned upon", but I'm not sure why it would be. If it's part of the game, it's part of the game.

 
  DemoDemo

I've played around with this and there is solid potential for the All Photos run (or future longer categories such as All Weddings, All Recipes, etc).

I plan on doing All Photos attempts later this year and this will be incorporated in some way.

 
  oddtomoddtom

Heck yeah! I was hoping I wouldn't be the only one. I think there's a lot of room for improvement on that run, and from what I've found, the biggest problem is actually staying focused for 10 hours (as the same 10 second music clip repeats every time you enter a new area) and properly timed bathroom breaks. I've done the run in segments, but I haven't done them all at once yet.

I've been playing around with the black space, and I've found a few other things worth mentioning. The first is that only the door exists; not the entire building. If you know about where the door is, you can approach it from any angle and get the same result. Additionally, there are several of them, and they change locations during the winter season. During the winter only, I've only found the door past the left end and slightly down, but nowhere else. There is also an unlimited supply of wood down there, but considering the dog race medal rewards and the fact that you can only hold 8 in the rucksack, I really can't see a way to use it.

The invisible wall is the second key factor. Whenever you attend a festival, it puts an invisible barrier around the farm so the greenhouse is no longer accessible unless you reset. Festival ¤days¤ are irrelevant, but if you actually ¤attend¤ the festival, the wall pops up and I can't make it go away. Unless you find a way around that, which festivals you plan to attend and whether or not it is worth sacrificing the reset time will factor in to routing.

Is there somewhere we can aggregate notes? I've done a lot of these cost / time analysis(es?) so you won't have to make the same mistakes I made... blargh lost hours...

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  DemoDemo

I did not know that about the festival/invisible wall thing. That explains why sometimes I can jump out but get stuck. If it only costs 1 reset to remove it per attended festival, I still think it's worth doing for +affection on gifting the various crops in the off seasons.

I have a few places where I have collected some notes. Some on pastebin, some on Google Docs, some from MrWeables himself.

I'll gather it together and let you know.

 
  oddtomoddtom

Okay, so I think I've figured it out. Whenever there is a festival day where you automatically go to sleep, the invisible wall goes up. Saving the next day and resetting alone isn't enough to remove it. I tried all sorts of thing to get rid of it- I know it's possible because I've done it before somehow- but the only thing that worked for me was putting all my chickens inside the coop, saving the game, then resetting. I have no idea why the chickens are so important, but as far as I can tell, the key to getting rid of that invisible wall is to save with all your chickens indoors before resetting.

 
  NillowsNillows

Picking up any items can cause the invisible wall to pop up (particularly eggs), so I always tried to do the glitch first thing in the morning, or at least before my chickens. That and the festivals were the only things that affected the wall that I found.

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