Delaware, USAPlease stop submitting milliseconds in your full-game submissions. They are currently for BP Boss levels only. Thank you.
[Crossposted from DMC5 leaderboard forums]
So DMC5SE was confirmed for next-gen consoles (PS5 and XBSX).
TLDR it has Vergil, Legendary Dark Knight mode, and Turbo. Also includes all DLC.
This is what's going happen with the DMC5 leaderboards:
-There will be Vergil-related categories added to DMC5 vanilla, since Vergil will be coming to that release as DLC.
-DMC5:SE runs will be verified on this board. We will probably do the same protocol as before with DMC5 where the boards are locked for a couple weeks after release too.
Important to note: since DMC5:SE will have the DLC weapons + breakers included in it (+ other DLC) for free, it is extremely likely we will allow all of these in the runs for SE. DMC5:SE will be a functionally different release + run, and that is why the boards will be split (similar to DMC4 and DMC4:SE).
So DMC5SE was confirmed for next-gen consoles (PS5 and XBSX).
TLDR it has Vergil, Legendary Dark Knight mode, and Turbo. Also includes all DLC.
This is what's going happen with the DMC5 leaderboards:
-There will be Vergil-related categories added to this board, since Vergil will be coming to this release as DLC.
-DMC5:SE will be a separate leaderboard (here is the placeholder): https://www.speedrun.com/dmc5se. We will probably do the same protocol as before with DMC5 where the boards are locked for a couple weeks after release too.
Important to note: since DMC5:SE will have the DLC weapons + breakers included in it (+ other DLC) for free, it is extremely likely we will allow all of these in the runs for SE. DMC5:SE will be a functionally different release + run, and that is why the boards will be split (similar to DMC4 and DMC4:SE).
The time has come, and I definitely have too.
By the grace of whatever deity, the awesome @Mysterion_06_ has finally blessed DMC4SE with an autosplitter (with optional doorsplitter btw) and a load removal script. All of this is integrated into LiveSplit for you to peruse at your leisure.
This is a great QoL change in many ways.
- No need to buy expensive hardware to get better times
- Easily see where you actually lose time (no load time inconsistency + specificity with doorsplitter)
- Pausing the game will pause the timer, so you don't have to suffer when you need to go to the bathroom (please do not abuse this and go eat dinner during your PB attempt)! Item usage is still timed though, don't worry.
- If your hardware is not the best (shoutouts to @LonerHero ), then you can select from script refresh-rate variables that are included in the options. Please utilize this if you happen to see your timer splitting late, or stopping for incorrect amounts of time.
As a result, the leaderboard has separated into PC and Console categories, so that Console runs are not simply pushed to the bottom of the board.
Please check resources for the following:
- Downpatch fix for LRT to work. This is a simple downpatch and will not change the run. It also allows you to use SuperTrainer v9!
- Splits for doorsplitter. There's a lot of splits there, so we did the legwork of providing blank ones for everyone to use.
At this time, we will not be implementing LRT for ILs (Bloody Palace and Boss Rush), but it's something we can revisit in the future. Thanks for reading, and happy running!
The Dante Must Die and Heaven or Hell categories have been added as Misc. options for NG+, NG+ Faustless, and NG+ Prologue. The all-encompassing "Prologue" category has also been split into two separate misc categories called "NG Prologue" and "NG+ Prologue" so that there are no impossible categories on the board.
Have fun.
Emulator runs have been moved to corresponding misc. categories due to a skip that was found that saves about 4 minutes, and is only available on the PS2 version of the game. LonerHero has tested the viability of this skip extensively across all characters and has come very close to his PC WR for Dante really quickly, despite longer loads on the emulator. Below is the reference for the skip:
Unfortunately, PS2 can only beat other versions with this glitch on an emulator. I would be totally fine with leaving PS2 emulator runs up if PS2 hardware could also beat the current PC WR and overtake emu runs, but that isn't the case. As a result, I've moved emulator runs to a misc category.
DMC1 Speedrun Tournament
Details: -Will be organized by myself and DigitalT! -Category is Any% Normal Dante (No LDK or Super Dante) -Uses the same rules as https://www.speedrun.com/dmc -Timed by in-game timer -Double Elimination -Races are best of 1, Grand Finals are best of 3 -You will be required to stream your runs (Twitch preferred) -Sign-ups from now until May 11th, Tournament will officially start May 18th -To sign up, just DM me or DigitalT on Twitter or Discord -All skill levels welcome, even if you're just learning the game for the tournament -Prize is 50 USD
More details once Sign-Ups are complete.
If you're picking up DMC1 for this tournament, there is a FULL tutorial up on my YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdtB5n2OvooYvukaa7cobKYsH66gF3n46
https://twitter.com/DECosmic/status/1257334255950102529?s=20
Self-explanatory. Rules have been updated since we've already had a lot of ties. Shoutouts to all of you in the BP Boss ILs grinding it out.
Note: although our boards now have milliseconds timing, do not submit milliseconds for full-game and full BP. thank you.
This is a petition for a community vote on revamping the boards for DMC3: Special Edition. I've talked with some other runners of the game and we've come to a consensus on what we think should be voted on.
Consolidating platform subcategories to just be PC and Console This is easily the biggest change the board is in need of. The amount of subcategories on this board makes actual competition a joke. RTA is an inherently unfair timing method by nature, and with a game as old as DMC3 (almost 15 years) it's best to not split hairs over very minor differences in hardware when this game can run on a toaster (shoutouts to LonerHero's laptop). The reason we would want to vote on having PC as a separate category (which would encompass both 2006 and 2018 PC releases) is because we are currently reaching outside the community to get a properly working loadless timer.
As a sidenote to this, do not mention Switch having style-switching. That's clickbait and not confirmed at this time. Barring any more news regarding this, we can think about what to do with Switch later.
Any% and Dante's Awakening being moved to Misc. categories Any% as a serious category just doesn't make any sense. It's merely dying three times and then doing a NG Easy run with zero differences. Dante's Awakening being lumped in with the rest of the categories also doesn't make sense since it's effectively a different game.
I hope we can come to a resolution as a community and make the changes these boards need to look cleaner and more welcoming to newcomers. I would also volunteer my own time to help reconstruct the boards if needed.
So the TL;DR is this:
-All runs now require an RTA timer to displayed (Livesplit, console stream timer, etc.) -PC runs require input displays (gamepad viewer, nohboard, etc.)
Truth be told, we probably should have implemented these changes after the cheating scandal with Snawk, but another WR submission came up recently wherein the runner not only ignored our "WR submission requires Twitch vod" rule but, similar to Snawk, had no RTA timer being displayed nor an input display. So now our hand has basically been forced to require this from all runners, veteran and new alike. Unfortunate that it's come to this but it is what it is. All runs that were verified prior to this rule change will be grandfathered in, so no need to worry about your previous PBs. But moving forward this is the standard we'll all be held to pretty much indefinitely.
Here's some links to input displays: Nohboard -https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/nohboard.44/
Gamepad Viewer -https://gamepadviewer.com/
Here's some links to timers: Livesplit (recommended) -https://livesplit.org/
Others -http://www.speedrunslive.com/tools/
Here's an example of some layouts from maxy and myself.
You don't even necessarily have to have splits like we do; an overall timer will suffice.
That's about it. Much love, everyone.
Decided to lax a bit on muted audio in runs. Rules now read: If you are listening to music outside of game audio, it must not overpower the game audio. Obviously there's a line to this (don't submit a vod that's fully muted), but if like 3 minutes is muted then it's nbd. Everyone that's been running has been really grinding to get better and it shows, so in light of that, I think it's only fair to pay it forward and not have people worry about their music getting their audio muted. We all can only listen to Devil Trigger, Subhuman, and Crimson Cloud so much haha.
Enjoy, y'all!
Hey all,
I'm a new mod for ZoE2, along with UnKnown_Drive. You've probably noticed that the leaderboards have been given a significant facelift in terms of aesthetic and some changes have happened. While you can thank Drive for the aesthetics, I'll go over the functionality/submission changes + additions:
1. All versions of ZoE2 are now ranked on the same leaderboards under RTA. This is the big one. Essentially, the current community came to an agreement that it would be best to unify all versions. This allowed us to get rid of a bunch of categories that had 0-1 runs in them and help the board look cleaner overall. Don't worry, you can still indicate which version you're running along with your platform (so you can still have the best time on that version), but it won't be ranked separately. Whatever ends up being the fastest version will just be the definitive version to run in the end. Hopefully this change will foster competition amongst runners and help us all strive to figure out what the fastest version of ZoE2 really is.
2. NG+ Jehuty variations are subcategories All the NG+ frames function differently enough to still warrant keeping them separate. Naked would probably (obviously) edge out the other versions so the variations will still be ranked separately.
3. Jehuty Ver. 2 category now exists This was something I felt should have been on the board from jump, so there it is. Ver. 2 functions a bit different from Damaged and Naked; curious to see what will happen with the cata if/when more time is put into it. Get in there and do some Ver. 2 runs!
4. NG+ Rules have been made more clear In most of the current runs for NG+, players have been starting with no subweapons, even though in the previous rules it stated you could start with all subweapons. So moving forward, the rule phrasing will be that the run starts on "sub-weapon equip", indicating that you can start with all subweapons. This clarification should help newer runs, and really push some of the NG+ times to be faster.
5. Still no Extreme category I had thought about adding this, honestly. For transparency's sake, my modding/speedrun background is primarily in the Devil May Cry series, and my general observation is, typically speaking, runners don't tend to stick with the harder difficulty categories because they're longer and well, very punishing to grind out. Their longevity is questionable, and that's if there's any interest at all (DMC5 did not have anyone mention DMD interest for 6 months, as a recent example). I'm definitely open to having the discussion to put Extreme on the boards, as I'm sure the other mods are too. Personally I just don't want it to be one and done times, but I'll definitely go with whatever the community decides.
That's about it. Any questions, feel free to ask! Much love.
Just dumping some notes that I have.
Shop costs
New Moves
Fire Combos -Forward Chain Roll: 200 -Quake Crash: 400 -Fire Cutter: 2,000 -Devil's Headbutt: 4,000 -Hyper Spin Chain: 6,000 -Hellfireball: 8,000
Light Combos -Forward Chain Slow: 200 -Helicopter Slice: 400 -Inferno Kick: 2,000 -Barge Spin: 4,000 -Spinning Top: 6,000 -Comet: 8,000
Heavy Combos -Double Handed Spin: 200 -Fist Dive: 400 -Super Quake: 2,000 -Plasma Shotgun: 4,000 -Backdraft: 6,000 -Hell Punch: 8,000
Specials
Health Boosts -400 -800 -1,600 -3,200
Spirit Boosts -400 -800 -1,600 -3,200
Link Charge -Solar: 2,000 -Omega: 15,000 Shotgun -Red Hot Hellfire Shotgun: 2,000 -White Hot Hellfire Shotgun: 15,000
Bike Hellshot -Homing Shot: 3,000 -Double Homing Shot: 4,000 -Triple Homing Shot: 5,000
Buy List Priorities -Devil's Headbutt: 6,600 total (Need ASAP, should theoretically have it by the end of 1st stage?) -Triple Homing Shot: 12,000 total (Need by 2nd bike level) -White Hot Hellfire Shotgun: 17,000 total (Need after other two upgrades) -Max Spirit Boost: 6,000 total (After Shotgun) -Omega Link Charge: 17,000 (Last Upgrade)
Ghost Rider combat: -Guard cancel shoulder -Guard cancel shotgun in cases where shoulder is unwieldy -Link charge for quick room clears?
Blade: -square square triangle combo seems really strong -apparently slide and divekick have transferable iframes? need to look into it more.
Instead of having the main tabs be the category type with the platform next to it (i.e. New Game PC and New Game Console), I've changed all the main tabs to just be the category, and then the platform type will be the subcategory (PC and Console), followed by the difficulty of your choice. This reduced the number of tabs we had and should make adding more categories (if that ever happens) look cleaner in the future. Enjoy, everyone!
So now that DMC5 has been upon us for 5 months now and categories have been explored a bit, I think it's time to look at expanding the boards somewhat and have some discussion regarding that.
I'll begin this discussion by saying that we're looking for interesting and unique categories, not arbitrary ones. It will be on you as runners to route and run categories you think deserve the attention. We love having more runners obviously, but we don't want redundant/boring categories simply for the sake of being inclusive. As an example of redundancy, look at the NG+ categories in dmc2, where all difficulties are now under the same board because of basically no difference between the categories.
The following are what's currently on the table to be in the main board:
-Heaven or Hell difficulty -All Orbs + Secret Missions category
As for Super Costumes and something like Faustless NG+ or Restricted NG+, I know people have asked for these before. And trust me, I feel your pain on NG+ Faust invalidating a lot of Dante's tools (This was a big part of me moving to NG).
Before I get into Faust more though, this is what I'll say as far as Super Costumes: I'm sure they're fun casually, but when the game came out we wanted to encourage people to learn the game and characters, so we sidelined these costumes. We can definitely discuss having them for a miscellaneous category, however. I'm personally not opposed to that whatsoever.
As far as Faust goes, we can go about that multiple ways, but it's really a matter of whether or not we want a universal solution or solutions tailored to PC or Console each. How we solve that, I'd like to leave in the hands of the community to discuss. I have my own ideas, but I want to hear what everyone else is thinking first.
As a last note, if you have ideas for another category that could prove interesting (maybe something like RE4's No Merchant?), please bring it forward. As a reminder, if you want a category to be considered, you have to run it, record it, and show that it can be interesting enough to be maintained on the leaderboard.
Have learned the route for Normal and been trying to get a complete run off the ground but my soul count keeps going awry early game, mostly at axe demon after going back up the rope ladder. What are the common backup strats if you screw up the early game? I'd also like to submit this game to marathons in the future every now and again once I get more comfortable with it, so knowing this would be very helpful. Didn't look into Bowie's 2017 run (yet), but I assume that run was pretty safe?
So Devil May Cry 5 has been out for a couple months and it's pretty clear to everyone that's running the game + some outside of it that with pure RTA the game suffers from pay-to-win issues with a lot of load screens and cutscenes that (I assume) mask some other load screens and are not immediately skippable. The end goal for the game is to have LRT be the main timing method.
I'm making this post because we've been dealing with this issue for a while and have had multiple people working on figuring out a load remover to no avail. If there's anyone interested in helping, please respond here and/or message me on discord. It would be greatly appreciated.
