Why GTA V Classic% should get rid of the enforced Ending C
9 years ago

Refer to the following:

Although it should explain itself.

Edit: DLC got patched out in the latest patch

Germany

" If other people decide they want to have fun playing with a different set of rules, because they happen to think some of the current ones are based on thin air, then there's nothing you can do to stop that. Not sure why you would even want to in the first place though, just live and let live. ;-) "

so, why dont you just run the game the way you want to? apparantly youre running the any% no skips category anyways. if all the other runners want to stick to ending c now though, why stop them?

maybe the pc version is released someday, MAYBE other people want to run the game then, MAYBE they want to pick another ending as C, so what. they open up another category and thats it.

dekap and the others made this rules for classic%, so why stop them from doing so? most people arguing in this thread hate the name "classic%" anyways so, just open up your new category "any% (no taxi warps, no mission skips, x x x )" in case you actually run the game and stop people from running the game they want to

iksio and Gaël like this

Of course we can't stop them from playing under these rules, the thing that bothers people is that it's being treated as a main category instead of a misc. category. These rules are ridiculous for a main category. No mission skips is understandable but this is silly.

Germany

well, in case some times in the future more people are running a category with a different ending, it might become the main category. but calling it that now because one guy wants to run it seems kinda arbitrary

iksio and BosZz like this
Latvia

DLC saves up to 5 min in a run, and most of it is DLC helicopter which we use 2-3 times in a run, then there is dlc rpg ammo which saves 30 sec. other guns dont save time. Only thing that was aptched out is rpg dlc that saved 30 sec. They patched out only guns after 1.23 update, DLC helicopter is still there :)

We were arguing if dlc should be allowed but sicne its free we allow it. In pc these dlc guns wont be available in your weapon wheel.

But yeah give us the green light so i can improve my pb by 15 min. :)

Friesland, Netherlands

Hopefully PC won't have a weapon wheel at all. That is a horrible system for a M+KB setup.

Alberta, Canada

Lance Vance Dance dies at the end of GTA VC, so forcing ending C for classic% is not actually doing what classic GTAs do.

Alberta, Canada

Good post.

Also, are there any restrictions on weapons? Like if a weapon was not in GTA 1 or 2, can you use it? Like you said, I have not done any runs of GTA 1 or 2, so I am not really sure what is 'classic' or not. How important is the story in GTA 1 and 2 that makes forcing ending C mandatory? Did GTA 1 or 2 even have multiple playable characters? If not then its pure extrapolation to force ending C

Norfolk, England
zoton2
He/Him, She/Her, They/Them
8 years ago

QUICK EDITED NOTE: Right now my main category is Any% No Mission Skips, because I chose to do that, so in no way am I defending a category because I think it's better. But seeing as I am a GTA5 mod, I wanted to say something.

Sorry if some of this post reads badly, I am not so good at putting my points across at times and can be a bit wordy. Anyway...

I'll just post some more thoughts here because I feel like it, even though I feel like giving up and just ignoring most of the people who argue with us sometimes, seeing as they're all people who have never ran GTA5 and are just coming in here to shit on a random games rules; you might as well go do that with the Zelda games too, but of course you won't, because the community is so big you would get shot down, of course. :^)

@Naegleria: you DO make good points, along with a lot of other people, but coming and making a thread post with starts with a stupid, shitty opening post really doesn't help. TBH, I dunno why I'm even saying this anyway, because you will just reply "good post" or some shit. You even brought CyberDemon along for the ride too. Neither of you EVER intend to run this game (I would be amazed if you actually do) so you are literally coming here to wind people up with your shitposting. :^)

(The point out: Naegleria isn't the only person to do this, but you're here so you must "care" somewhat. Or you just wanted somewhere to shitpost since your thread was deleted, I dunno really. Also, some of the people fighting for this have been a little bad in doing that too, so both sides have been a bit hot-headed about this, including me at some points).

But, like I said, people do make good points. I'm just gonna address some random points people have:

The "Classic%" name - From what I remember the name came around for GTA4 because one dude (eTholon) basically wanted a category without taxis, and probably went "well, they don't have all these taxi warps in the older GTA's so classic makes sense" and adding % to names was a running theme at the time I guess (and still is now). Of course, he didn't think enough (and couldn't predict the future of all the warps we have in old GTAs we have now) and now the name doesn't make much sense, but it has stuck. I (as a 5 mod) could just change the name right now, but to what? And then you get the confusion that comes with it, with people wondering where Classic% went. It's hard to change a name when it's stuck for so long and is well known. Dekap (I think) then started running 5, saw this was the main category 4, so copied it (and somewhere along the way, added the ending restriction, I wasn't part of the GTA5 community when this was a thing).

"So, if it's not classic, what is it?" - Basically a category that means people can drive around instead of warping, which some people prefer (I know, "opinions, what are these things?", "Aren't I always in the right?" etc.). The ONLY things on top of this are no mission failed skips (because what would be the point of driving to a mission, to then just skip it anyway?) and ending C (see below, this is the only one I don't agree on).

"It should be a misc. category" - Why should a category, that covers the full game, and has the most runners out of a full game category, be in misc.? Just because you think it would make more people run Any%/Any NMS? People don't just run games because some higher person tells them to, they run it because they want to. If they did not find Classic% enjoyable, why would they run it? I don't understand people's logic here.

"Ending C is bad" - I do agree to this mostly, but again, people have talked about it (literally, right in this thread) and nothing really came from it, and actual runners of the game wanted it left as is (or didn't care I guess) so nothing happened yet. I can't just go changing rules on our leaderboards randomly, that's a stupid idea. I don't understand why people think I have the "power" to fix it. I have the power to delete runs randomly just because I could, but I don't, because it would be stupid. I can understand the other runner's logic, and seeing as the ending is more fun/challenging than the others.

"classic% is a meme" - do you expect me to take you seriously if this is something you say?

"classic% makes the game unnecessarily long" - so run another, faster category, no one is stopping you. I don't moan at people who run 100% in GTAs because it's long (a bad comparison I know, but yeah).

"you are not running the fastest way, what is this point" - because some people speedrun for fun? I know that's a very hard concept to grasp, but you might get it one day.

tl;dr: no, you should read all of this, why would you come here to argue my points even if you haven't read my points?

(Reminder: 3D GTAs on PC have a frame limiter on restriction, which is also arbitrary, because you can go faster by turning it off at certain points, but who cares about that eh? Fight the small communities and feel good about yourself! Again, that restriction is justified, but it's still a restriction while still calling it Any%, which it isn't.)

Peanut, Tezur0 and 4 others like this
Alberta, Canada

I am perfectly fine with arbitrary categories. All I (and others that run the game) are asking, is that they be coherent and rational. "classic" in the context of the GTA series could very well mean no taxis or mission skips, but forcing a certain ending is not. I recommend renaming the category to something that does describe this like "Classic% (Ending C)" rather than just Classic%. This would eliminate any and all confusion.

KVD and S. like this

yes, i run the game too, but why must you poop over all of these nice enough fellows ideals? they just wanna play GTAV, why do you have to act like you're hitler or something? just let them run the game the way they want. nobody is forcing you to choke on the proverbial dick that has been whipped out, for a lack of better words, off the top of my head.

if you want your own catagory, why not submit a run under the catagory you're shooting for? that's what speedrunning is about; finding a catagory that you feel like you're good enough to run, like these guys have

Finland

While I do not like the forced ending, I guess the best solution is to simply just get a kickass any% time so that people have some incentive to start running it and forget about classic%.

This is what max payne 2 runners did to prove that NYM is a stupid category. Beating every level in time so that they could request the category to be removed from SDA, unfortunately it still exists but I don't think anyone takes it seriously anymore, not after the crazy slowmo spam strategy was introduced to get better times. MP2 is a bit on the other extreme end though :)

But I will agree with Naegleria here with naming confusions, did GTA4 have any ending restriction on classic% ? I haven't been very actively following GTA5 scene but the ending restriction came as a complete surprise to me. I strongly believe that runs should have as little restrictions as possible since it could be that ending A gets broken at some point and is found to be much faster than B or C, shuffle these around. That is what keeps me going back to watching same games when they get obsoleted in time, watching a run and asking "why did the go there instead?" only to discover that there is some major skip or a very sick trick. Any% is about as relaxed as you can get with that but some games do have some features that can be considered very undesirable or potentially too game breaking. In this case, it's rather harmless but still potentially game changing graphical setting abuse (vehincle density) and including more driving in a game that has been built around driving, again all something that needs to be routed and planned carefully. Restrictions shouldn't apply on the route itself if possible, just a specific mechanic or a bug.

Essence of classic% was mostly just to disable taxi travel along with no density manipulation for traffic, correct? I really think that the "no skip, no taxi, no manipulation" is a category worth existing, along with another category that allows taxi. Just that the ending shouldn't be restricted like that because of what I mentioned above. Naegleria pointed out what I already thought as the clear solution, adding "Ending C" at the end.

GTA 5 running is still very new, now I know that the game has been out for some time now with PS3/360 but then again, GTA3 and VC/SA have evolved a lot troughout the years, probably 10 years from now someone will find a major "dupe glitch of 5" and runners can argue about the rulesets again ;) This is why I'd try to steer away from any route restrictions.

Tezur0 and KVD like this
Florida, USA

Adam_AK is the true speedrunner. You guys are lucky hes even still around to give you guys the much needed advice that you clearly need. I've been subbed to Adam since before he became the speedrunning guru that he is today. With the experience he has, you guys are autistic to ignore him. I bet you guys dont even know that Adam invented speedrunning, do you? Without Adam, SRL wouldn't even exist. You guys are so clueless about speedrunning that you guys dont even know that adding all of those restrictions RAISES the time needed to finish a run. Guess what speedrunning is? FINISHING THE GAME AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. You guys just dont get what Speedrunning is, but Adam does. If you guys even took a second out of your precious time, you'd know that Adam was the first person to get the WR in GTA 3 AND Vice City. Before long, he'll have the WR in GTA V, and you guys will still be doing your stupid, unnecessarily long runs.

Lanayru, iksio and 2 others like this
England

You guys are overthinking this! What makes classic% so good is the classic aspects of it. So I suggest you run in a top down view, no mission skips, if you die you spawn on the other side of the map. At the end of the game you use a random number generator to pick the ending for you because you know, in classic GTA games you couldn't pick an ending yourself so why should you be able to now? Oh and dont forget you have to stay on the roads because you know, you couldn't easily go offroad in classic GTA. I hope people will go back to the old ways of the classic GTA for classic%. Käppa

Tezur0, ToriksLV and 3 others like this
United States

DOWN WITH THE 110 METER HURDLES! WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY ADD ON 10 METERS!?!?!? THE 100 METER DASH IS FASTER THAN THE 110 METER HURDLES!!! WHY WOULD THEY PLACE HURDLES ON THE TRACK!?!?!?!? IT'S JUST SLOWING THE RUNNERS DOWN!!!! WHY DID THEY EXTEND IT BY 10 METERS?!?! WHY IS THERE A 200 METER DASH?!?! WHY IS THERE A 400 METER DASH?!?!?! THESE ARE SLOWER EVENTS!!!! OH, AND WHAT THE FUCK IS A STEEPLECHASE? WET SHOES?!?!? I DON'T CARE IF THE 1600 METER IS TESTING MORE THAN JUST SPEED!!! THE 1600 METER IS SLOWER THAN THE 100 METER!!!! I CALL FOR THE 110 METER HURDLES TO BE REMOVED FROM FUTURE OLYMPIC EVENTS AND ALL EXISTING RECORDS BE DESTROYED!!! THE 110 METER HURDLES IS BASICALLY JUST TAKING THE 100 METER DASH AND ADDING UNNECESSARY RESTRICTIONS!!! WHY DOES THE 110 METER HURDLES REQUIRE ENDING "10 EXTRA METERS" AND NOT ENDING "END AT 100 METER MARK"?!?!?!? I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK HOW MANY COMPETITORS THIS COMPETITION HAS!!!! IT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED A REAL COMPETITION BECAUSE THERE ARE ADDED RESTRICTIONS WHICH I FEEL ARE ARBITRARY AND UNNECESSARY!!! HOW HAS THIS BLASPHEMY GONE ON FOR ALL THIS TIME?!??!?!

http://phapluattp.vcmedia.vn/Rpg7DiB2SyW22i2esZK04OmnfDjccc/Image/2012/08/13/x24_30c87.jpg https://olympicfanatic.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/ancientgames.jpeg http://startupflavor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/iStock_000010841329XSmall-300x199.jpg http://www.beijing-tours.cn/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Track-Events.jpg

Oh, and by the way, when did the world record for the 100 meter dash become sub 10? Last I knew, Donald Lippincott held the record at 10.6. When did Usain Bolt get a 9.58???

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Lanayru, DubGame and 4 others like this
Portugal

I think Usain Bolt turned off the frame limiter

Tezur0, Kyle and 3 others like this
Alberta, Canada

so is "classic% ending C" good or not?

Norfolk, England
zoton2
He/Him, She/Her, They/Them
8 years ago

Just to make this a little bit serious again...

Thanks to the people who actually started being a bit serious (including Naegleria).

So let's say with either called it Classic% (Ending C) or removed that ending restriction and left it as Classic%. We then still have the issue of people saying "well, it's still not enough like classic GTAs" which was another issue we had. This does mean that maybe someone could do a Classic% run with another ending, which would be fine; I have no issues with that.

Some other people have suggested (and some people even use for GTA4) Any% (Classic Rules), although this has a very similar issue to above.

Something else I also considered was something like Any% (No Mayor Warping/Skipping) or something along those lines, although then that might be as issue if a "skip" was found in the game. On The Simpsons: Hit & Run, we actually have a minor category called "No Skips/Mission Warps" because we couldn't find a better name, so maybe something like that?

South Yorkshire, England

" IT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED A REAL COMPETITION BECAUSE THERE ARE ADDED RESTRICTIONS WHICH I FEEL ARE ARBITRARY AND UNNECESSARY!!!"

All athletic disciplines are measured and competed within the metric system (e.g., 200m, 3000m, 10,000m etc). THEN WHY THE FUCK IS THIS GUY CLAIMING A WORLD RECORD IN THE IMPERIAL SYSTEM? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/31569286 Last time I looked '2 miles' is 3218 meters.

Guess what I'm going to do today? "420 meters WORLD RECORD attempts" OpieOP