English Ryedawg. English.
"Did you fix the problem no you instead would rather spend 2 days writing on a fourm complaining that you lost mod" This implies I did one INSTEAD of the other. Meaning I had the ability to do both which I clearly did not have.
Additionally, as I have noted before, no requests came from you to me Ryedawg. I heard of them second or even third hand. The one's I heard about, your first times, were corrected. Again, even though they were done long before I was a mod or were within a second of difference.
What has been shown clearly in this thread is the extent Ryedawg will lie:
- He continues to claim he brought me problems that were not fixed, he did not.
- He continues to claim I should have made changes, despite that I had no authority to make these changes and he did not ask me to make any.
- He continues to claim I did not watch runs, with no proof. It is especially laughable because I clearly watch more runs than anyone. The start of the 500k rules discussion was because I caught it in a run ffs.
- He continues to claim I only verified my own runs, even when given an imgur of other runs I checked and even knowing of some runs I rejected.
- He claimed I made rule changes without discussion, yet these were discussed for days on the discord and even 11 months ago on twitter and the forums.
I stream literally everyday, streaming GTA V. I haven't had Ryedawg speak to me outside of asking for help for the GTA Marathon and it clearly isn't an issue of conflicting times. I check my email hourly when not streaming, I always hear prompts on discord. Where are the conversations we had where he told me of his issues? Nowhere of course, they were fabrications like most of what Rye has said. He put forwards ancient times that were slightly incorrect that were done by older mods, these were corrected. I am at a loss to find what else he brought forward and who he brought it to.
He has claimed, constantly, that no changes should be made without discussion. He even argued some of the mods should be removed due to inactivity and not running the game. He has further asked what he has done wrong as a mod. Let Ryedawg's own standard judge him. He meets all the criteria for what he believes a bad mod is and thus he does not meet his own standard for what a mod should be.
The matter of fact is that there have been runs that were verified with inaccurate timing, and instead of simply correcting that, all I've seen DarkViper do was defend the inaccuracies that are easily correctable instead of, you know, correcting them and going on with his life.
This, of course, along with other mods that simply verified runs without looking at them or not even being active at all has resulted in people being unhappy with how the leaderboard was being run. Since this has been a topic that has come up time and again, action needed to happen, and things have been changed. Rye stepped up, got the chance to "fix" the leaderboards, and he took the time to do it.
The reasons people weee unhappy with the previous officials of the leaderboards were of factual nature, specifically wrong times that have been getting through. The top priority of a leaderboard is to at least have the most basic rules to be followed, which are, in a speedrunning context, obviously the start and end points of timing. These, as I've mentioned countless times now, are easy enough to check and correct should the runner have made a mistake.
Considering the literal only arguments I've seen mentioned here against Rye can be summed up by "he's a terrible person," no good actual reason as to why he shouldn't be given control of the leaderboards have been brought forward. Personal warfare has no place on a speedrunning leaderboard, much like S. mentioned, and therefor only factual reasoning should be used to determine who is taking over mod duties, and Rye has shown that he is willing (and so far capable) of doing just that.
And for the love of god, insults and personal attacks have no place on this forum, and are not helping the discussion whatsoever, so please, refrain from doing that.
I'm aware that I'm not the most active runner in this game, but I've been part of this community for quite a while now, so I feel like my opinion is still relevant enough to at least be heard.
"all I've seen DarkViper do was defend the inaccuracies that are easily correctable..." Which run specifically was not corrected? And don't point to my meme with golf %, I wasn't at a PC. I defended the philosophical idea that attempting to achieve absolute accuracy was both a foolish waste of time, as it is not achievable, and even if it were it provides no practical benefit. I stand by that belief. Point me to where a time inaccuracy was shown to me and I said "I will not change this, let inaccuracies in times that are shown to me stay as they are". Good luck.
"with other mods that simply verified runs without looking at them" MOD, if you mean Havii. I am not aware he does not look at ANY runs, I was also not aware of any runners complaining. Pass these onto me would you? I am surprised they got delivered to you by mistake. So, I guess you suggest Havii should be removed? Great let us just discuss this..whoops. We can't. Your grievances with the other mods...were...what again? We can contact them and get your complaints if you wish.
"people being unhappy" Again, no one contacted me. Or Havii or Zoton (to my knowledge). Guess not too unhappy? I have an email, I have a discord, I stream daily. How unhappy could you be if I literally have heard nothing directly?
"action needed to happen" You mean action needed to be discussed surely? On the forum, with the runners? Let us not advocate for authoritarianism too quickly for expediencies sake...
"people weee unhappy" I received no messages. Why?
"Rye can be summed up...." I assumed you missed my dozen essays? You are misusing the word "literal".
"insults and personal attacks have no place on this forum" I agree, Ryedawg claiming people were white knighting and his insulting the idea of democracy by placing himself in power to appease himself was wrong. Find me public comment, or even private maybe, prior to this event where I disrespect or insulted Ryedawg. You won't find it. His actions justify my change of tune, as I do not speak untruth.
Seriously? http://imgur.com/a/2NNP1
Did Gyoo seriously like a post to support the idea that being a child rapist is not sufficient reason for a person not to moderate a leaderboard? Holy shit we are screwed. If child rape wouldn't be enough to condemn Ryedawg, I can see why his past and present wrongdoings seem like nothing to most of you. Is this the official position of speedrun.com? Perhaps this post will make things worse, but with such a mindset, how can a good resolution be reached? So desperate are people to vindicate Ryedawg from his current and past transgressions that even child rape will be accepted as passable to make him look better by comparison. Incredible. Can we get...a second opinion on this one? Preferably one where if we find out a mod is a child rapist we can remove them...
I still don't get the argument of not currently being an active runner of the game affecting his abilities to be a mod. He did run the game and maybe he has been up with the newer strats since the last run he did. Also not everyone has free time to do a 7 hour run each day or has other reasons or priorities over the act of running the game, yet Rye has fixed the LBs that active runners who were mods couldn't even do. Just give him time, if he fucks up as being a mod as in accepts multiple wrong times or deletes something that shouldnt be deleted than give him shit, for now most of the arguments are subjective from everyone who is against this.
[quote=Anti]Until Ryedawg proves himself that he's a bad mod, none of your tantrums are going to change anything.[/quote] darkviper88 HAS THIS HAPPENED YET? No! You haven't given him any chances. All you've done is complain about how bad he supposedly WILL be. Who cares how much of a shitposter he is? Nothing you've said here has shown that ryedawg will be a bad mod in any sense. All it shows is him being a bad viewer/person/whatever. [quote=Gyoo]If DV gets supermod, the first thing he'll do is remove Ryedawg from the mods.[/quote] Cheeselover, this is why your solution will not work.
I honestly believe that throughout this forum, DV started by arguing points why ryedawg shouldn't be mod. However, it seems to have devolved into attacks on who "is part of the game" which like Bosz said should be enforced for the people that support you as well. To be honest, I don't think that DV deserves mod back after this mess.
"darkviper88 HAS THIS HAPPENED YET" He literally just took control of a leaderboard without telling anyone. So, yes?
"You haven't given him any chances" I once met a man who broke into my house and asked to clean it. He made it in after all, should I have given him a chance? Personally I think the breaking into the house was justification enough to object to his presence.
"Nothing you've said here has shown that ryedawg will be a bad mod in any sense." We are at 6 pages and counting of the greatest disagreement in recent memory, started by Ryedawg because he wanted mod so much he took it without anyone even hearing a whisper.
" it seems to have devolved into attacks on who "is part of the game"" Ryedawg spent a long time complaining Zoton doesn't run the game nor is he active enough. I agree, people like this probably shouldn't be mod. Perhaps I am simply defending what Ryedawg believed before disregarding these views benefited him.
"Bosz said should be enforced for the people that support you as well" You will note that the people who support me are either: Active viewers of GTA V, have run the game themselves or have dedicated time to routing the game. None of you fit any of these distinctions.
" DV deserves mod back after this mess" ..but the one who..started this mess...should keep his mod? The double standards never end.
@agjents "I still don't get the argument of not currently being an active runner of the game affecting his abilities to be a mod." Ask Ryedawg why he complained Zoton had this attribute. There are good reasons but he may have forgotten them when he realised they also applied to him now...
"Also not everyone has free time to do a 7 hour run each day" Did you miss Ryedawg saying he had the time to watch 16 hours of GTA V everyday? It was on the last page.
"yet Rye has fixed the LBs that active runners who were mods couldn't even do. " He did not do this. All complaints of time inaccuracies were fixed by the old mods. For example: http://www.speedrun.com/gtav/thread/v5qwo He did not mention any further grievances, bar general "not tidy" complaints as far as I know. If inaccuracies were mentioned, or became relevant, they would have been fixed. "Couldn't do"...you are saying the old mods couldn't open a web browser...or...?
"Just give him time, if he fucks up as being a mod" Once more, he has just gone behind every runners back and made himself mod. That is known as "fucking up". Again, what has Ryedawg done that should give him the chance? What respect has he shown anyone? The whole mess started due to the greatest disrespect a person can show another.
"He did not do this. All complaints of time inaccuracies were fixed by the old mods." Some were fixed few weeks back and those issues were brought up by Rye then afaik. Also after presenting that there are such problems, there were still timing problems happening after the grand fix 1.0
"Did you miss Ryedawg saying he had the time to watch 16 hours of GTA V everyday? It was on the last page." There is a difference between running and watching runs, I also spend around 8 hours watching runs but its mostly on background while I do other stuff when I am on PC. Also running is more taxing, and "or has other reasons or priorities over the act of running the game".
"Once more, he has just gone behind every runners back and made himself mod."
The only [active by your definition or the trustworthy] runners I saw who are against is you, Cheese and Sunnyy, others don't seem to care for the changes (?)
@agjents "Some were fixed" Which were not fixed? I have one forum post, all those times were fixed. They were from runs that were largely ancient, some even done by mods who are no longer here.
"difference between running and watching runs" Your objection was a difference of "time". I am not aware of anyone that believes doing a run everyday is required.
"The only...." I believe that no active runner by Mizter (if you can call him active) believes Ryedawg should be supermod (certainly not the sole supermod)? Am I wrong in this? No suggestion of what to do involved keeping that the case. Literally ever runner (bar Mizter) has given suggestions that involve a change of things. This seems to suggest a lack of acceptance of things as they are.
[quote=darkviper88]He literally just took control of a leaderboard without telling anyone. So, yes? [/quote] No it hasn't. You've given him 2 days, and in that time he's already made a lot of what he's going to do/change. That's an excellent idea, and shows him to be a rather good mod.
[quote]You will note that the people who support me are either: Active viewers of GTA V,[/quote] I've spent a lot of time in Toriks' stream, considering I followed him in October of 2015. This isn't as long as a lot of other people, but does that not make me an active viewer?
[quote]..but the one who..started this mess...should keep his mod?[/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong, but ryedawg hasn't attacked other people in this thread. Unless you count attacking the community as a whole, which he didn't.
[quote]Did Gyoo seriously like a post to support the idea that being a child rapist is not sufficient reason for a person not to moderate a leaderboard?[/quote] I would be very curious to read your arguments about how this has anything to do with the act of having responsibilities on a website where people try to be fast on video games. Because he may (Once again, I use "may" because I don't know and don't want to know more) have done bad actions in real life, it'd mean that he cannot do anything anywhere anymore ? I will not engage on dangerous grounds by giving other examples but I really hope that you get the idea.
As to having a second opinion, fine. I've asked ROMaster to take this over, hopefully he'll have a look.
Whoever made these changes deserves to be shot, this is just embarrassingly bad especially for a GTA game.
"No it hasn't." Oh, there was a discussion where new mods were chosen? I must have missed it. We have a rule, no major changes without discussion. Rye's first move was to violate that rule.
"I've spent a lot of time in Toriks' stream..." I didn't say all active viewers supported me.
"ryedawg hasn't attacked other people in this thread" He called people white knights and went behind everyon's backs and crowd himself mod. He also has no reason to be angry and he needs to be on his best behaviour for Gyoo. He won, why would he allow his mask to slip now?
Charlie I don't like your solution.
[quote=crazycharlieh]Give another neutral solution then, please.[/quote] Leave the board as is and wait for ryedawg to fuck up as mod.
I do believe child rapists should be sequestered and removed from positions of authority or distinction, yes Gyoo. I think the action of child rape, perhaps one of the worst things a person can do, should be grounds to bar a person from a leaderboard. I think child rape, perhaps is enough to show a person should not be in charge of other people or influence their lives. That may seem a really out there idea to you...but I don't think it should be.
But the post you liked didn't say may? It said...an actual child rapist?
Zachoholic, are you advocating for the idea that major changes to a leaderboard should not require any debate or discussion? If not, why is this not something Ryedawg has done wrong?
I am sure my jabs have put people into hospital as well agjents. I hope you extend your well wishes towards them as well. After all, someone seemed to suggest everything was getting really savage in here...
