Thank you for replying Gyoo and forgive the length of any responses I give here. This issues means a lot to me. I was posting a long message to explain the development and changes of different rules over the last few years that Rye may have mentioned (the little he knows of them), but perhaps that is unnecessary.

Your research may not have brought up all the much unfortunately. Most discussions these days occur on discord or, because there are so few major runners, between the runners themselves. Whatever amount of research you did or did not do, you are in no way at fault. The only one at fault is Ryedawg. Ryedawg has been, in zoton's words "begging" to be a mod for about a month. We didn't want him, we know who he is. Dissatisfied with rejection, he has spent the last month complaining about a game he does not even run and barraging people with invented or minor issues as if the mods were running a paedophilia ring and had to be stopped. He has barraged Zoton so many times, because he was the active supermod, it is understandable he wants out. To quote: [5:40 AM] zoton2: also I have considered making you [Darkviper88] a supermod and just leaving the position. It would mean ryedwag "wins" but TBH I'd rather let him feel like that instead of having to worry about this shit all the time (insert some quote about "idiots moaning about everything and people giving up is why trump won" or something). http://imgur.com/a/R2Wzg

Nothing developed beyond this because no runners complained about the way things were. This leaderboard is not incredibly active, it has only been with the growing popularity of me and Toriks that new runners have just recently started stepping into the game. The game was all but dead when I started two years ago, Ryedawg and others had left it. That Ryedawg wants to come back and now rule something that he did nothing to build is beyond insulting.

Nord and M_tt were not active mods. They were not removed because removing them did not provide any benefit (and I didn't have the ability to do it). An arduous task for no gain seemed pointless. Zoton spoke about asking for at least Nord to remove himself: "I would like to ask Nord if he could remove himself though because he hasn't been around gta5 for a long time and is clearly interested in other things now. And, unlike me, he doesn't get involved, doesn't talk with us and doesn't verify runs anymore" http://imgur.com/a/L7f4f Nothing came of it and no one has complained about either Nord or M_tt because they are not relevant.

I was not a supermod, I deferred to Zoton. Making changes here is dangerous when you have people from outside this speed game who feel they are entitled to decide what goes on within it. GTA V is small compared to the other GTAs and thus the space quickly gets filled with people who know little to nothing about it. As an example, we spent two days discussing on discord the validity of the 'ifruit app' (despite it being used for 11 months) and the 500k DLC (which has always been an unwritten rule): http://www.speedrun.com/gtav/thread/kd3g4). When I finally enacted the choice that people seemed to agree with (I had no idea making a new column was even possible), Ryedawg still threw a hissy fit because he disagreed. Searching for ifruit or 500k in the GTA V section will show most of this (Hopefully Rye hasn't changed what he at least said) https://discord.gg/A3dPscV

As for the verification of runs, there is not a single GTA V runner who had a problem with how things were. If you can find one for me, I would like to know who they brought complaints to. The only criticism I have for Havii as a mod, and Zoton said the same, was that he verifies the runs far faster than either of us could. I am lucky to catch one unverified. He seems to be on speedrun.com...a lot. Perhaps he shouldn't be a mod. With that being said, the only people who complained were non-runners who dug back to find ANY error in the history of this leaderboard. Runs that were done before I even knew you could speedrun were flung at me with a smug "SEE SEE!". I thought the submission of a mafia run in the classic % category was a joke (I obviously rejected it), I didn't suspect there was a plot underway. It worked however didn't it? Ryedawg got rid of those who would not accept him. Successful scheme id say...so who am I to criticise the methods?

The point is, I think it is clear that whatever Ryedawg has shown you is at best half truths. I am willing to write essays till my hands turn red in defence of the previous administration and against the stealth takeover of Ryedawg. I suspect Ryedawg may have quote minded some of my musings or arguments about "Is there a 'right' amount of accuracy or a 'correct' idea of how much effort is justified for what level of accuracy". I noted that Bosz interestingly cut off where I said that any errors that are found should be corrected, but arguing in good faith is not something Ryedawg's friends feel it necessary to do. I like to discuss these ideas but, despite whatever ideas I bat around, my methodology is sufficient for mod. I will defend this idea to the death. My passion for this speedgame and everything involved within it I find to be something that is not justifiably questionable. I am also passionate about discussing what beliefs are the foundation for norms in communities, guess that played right into Ryedawg's quote mining hands but then again he did bait the discussion.

If you agree that the leaderboards were mismanaged, I implore you to allow current runners to handle it. Allow me to be a supermod, as the previous supermod who rejected Ryedawg wanted, and allow me to pick some people who are willing to check runs who have an active interest and knowledge of the game. I know everyone, Ryedawg does not which is why I suspect he suggested MizterConfusing who hasn't done a run in two years for mod.

You may see this solution as self-serving, but I honestly believe it is what is best for the leaderboards and it would be a fulfilment of the old administration. However, I would be happy with any solution where at least Ryedawg was not a mod. He does not deserve what he stole, he should not lead what he did nothing to build. Coming back after two years to do the icing is NOT making a cake.

I also believe Bosz' reasoning with Refunct and SMB 1 are not consistent here, because as CheeseLover said, it is a 6 hour run where most of the runs are not very close to one another (with the exception of a few). Refunct is a highly optimized game, as is SMB 1, and the times are incredibly close to each other. This coupled with the fact that many runs were far in the past (and were also fixed) shows that there wasn't much of an issue. Maybe there was in Discord. I don't know for sure :/

Considering all the attributions a super mod should have, I will go with dark viper and toriks. If needed I will join myself, as I plan to run the game in the near future.

How do you tag someone? LUL

@Crook4Money Was I or Havii a mod at that point. I believe that was 8 months ago.

More importantly, I consider Toriks and I to be friends. I wouldn't want to be the guy saying "NO NO I WON BY 0.023!". Close runs are very annoying due to the inclusion of loading times. The overwhelming majority of the time loading times wouldn't matter but in this case it did. Without loading, one of us would have been a second or two ahead. Who won by a fraction of a hair wasn't necessarily showing the better runner because of this.

Trevor% is a miscellaneous category that two friends were running. We had the same time to a second for a short period, I wasn't going to complain and runs are timed to a second. It was a unique and humorous oddity. if anyone had a problem with this ruling it could have been taken up with the mods, which I don't believe it was.

@DarkViper88, i submitted that Mafia run to the GTA V leaderboards because submitions to the game itself somehow failed to go through, so i decided to check if it'd do for any other game. It was in no way a test of mod ability that i'd have supposedly schemed with Ryedawg.

Too long to read all lol. I can try moderate full runs but i am a busy person and i dont want to be a lazy, for now i will try moderate and if i feel i dont want or cant i will ask to be removed :)

Since there arent too many full runs i think i could have time for those but i dont know anything about IL speedruns so we either ryedawg manages those or we need 1 more mod who focuses on those.

Yeah, I wasn't sure because it was so long ago. Was just something that was brought to my attention and I honestly never looked into it myself.

"Greeting Ryedawg here, " It has been what...two years?...since you have been around these forums. I am glad you remembered where they were.

"A. This is a mute [sic] point..." Except you also removed all current runners that were mod. If non-runners being a mod is a problem, which it is to some extent, making you a mod does not fix the problem. By making yourself a mod you are advocating that mods should have no knowledge or commitment to a game. You have on previous occasions complained about the people who are mod and cited their not running the game as a part reason for this criticism. When it comes to yourself however, you consider this a mute point. More hypocrisy Ryedawg.

"-Troll/shitposter A. i have always have not been afraid to express my self or be suppressed by society while online... " You have specifically gone out of your way to harass and cause trouble wherever you go. Causing harm and frustration. Not doing this isn't "society keeping you down", it is adhering to a basic understanding of decency that is required for people in positions of authority.

"-Change the rules to benefit him self A. If i were to change the rules to benefit my self...." Without any discussion, you just went behind everyone's back and made yourself supermod. When a change of rules was discussed, you mentioned your old "helicopter strat" that you loved. The reason we are here is because you are willing to change things without discussion. Regardless of the harm to the present runners, you were willing to advocate for rule changes in a game you don't even play to benefit how you USED to play. These are not the actions of a responsible moderator.

"-Begging for mod A. When speedrun.com launched no one wanted to take the responsibility of moderating the leader boards..." This has of course changed and has not been the case for a long time. You would have known this had you not crowned yourself king without any discussion with people who actually play the game. In your defence, the only runners you really know are me and Toriks. You can't discuss with people you don't know but your ignorance of the game and its runners are why we are here to begin with.

"- Toriks as mod / Ryedawg is a puppet master A. When asking toriks if he wanted to be a mod i made it very clear..." You made nothing clear to Toriks. You can watch the VoD of his stream when this takeover went down. Toriks had to have everything explained to him. He wanted to talk to the other mods, Zoton and Nord, whom he believed still held their positions. Toriks never wanted to be mod and Ryedawg used him to give himself credibility. That Cyoo believed Toriks had shown motivation shows even Cyoo was kept out of the loop. More dishonesty from Ryedawg. He further is willing to be the sole mod to consolidate his power now that he has given a token gesture at sharing the crown. This is almost unbelievable except we all know Ryedawg.

"-Sabotage of the previous mods [let the community self implode]" Ladies and gentlemen, our current supermod. Unless he can have power, he doesn't care.

"it puts a smile on my face to see such passion surrounding the boards" It puts a smile on your face to know the harm you have caused. Your troll glee is finally caused such calamity. You can sleep soundly knowing pain and suffering had been cause Rye, as you always do.

"Stay tuned for a brighter future and have no fear because if I step out of line" We had absolutely no fear of that with the previous administration, it in fact has not happened in the entire time the leaderboard has existed. If you have to continually cite the possibility of your going rogue, even you seem to recognise your instability as a person. Perhaps we should discuss your belief in the lizard people that control all of society to further gain a grasp on your current mental state?

You have also ignore large amounts of other posts. Gyoo can read these himself. Look at where we are now ladies and gentlemen, all this pain and frustration. All the cloak and dagger stabbing in the back. No one likes this situation...except Ryedawg. No regrets for the harm he has caused, just glee that he has struck down his foes and has gotten away with it. This is the Ryedawg we all know and have to deal with.

Matt

I was going to respond to other stuff but I didn't feel like it, but I will address a few things in ryedawg's post above.

"Example zotons last submitted run was 692 days ago" - I have tried to be somewhat involved in the community though since, and I imagine I did a run since then. But like I said I am fine not being a mod, so this is a moot point.

DLC usage - the forum was around when that was an issue it seems: one thread and another. I found it funny people were talking about DLC back then when on the PS3 it was rolled into the main updates, therefore if I wanted to update the game I would have it. Of course I could avoid using it, but it was offered for free and everyone could get it at the time so I saw no point against it. "not having internet" was a weird excuse (which is exactly what I said back then) when the leaderboard required a video. Only response to that I think I got was that they might upload videos from another location, such as a library (for an 8 hour run?). I am glad that trying to avoid it helped find strats though.

" I at the time told zoton and matt i would mod the boards. Once they saw this they went and told the super mods to make them mod" - (I am going to assume "super mods" in this context means full mods) back when this happened, I had no bad feelings toward ryedawg, I don't remember specifically going to get mod so he couldn't. I mainly did it because Dekap was the only mod and was neglecting the leaderboards; runs were waiting verification for ages, so something needed to be done about an inactive mod.

" let the community self implode because they do not deserve to be saved from them selfs." - does this sound like a guy who cares about fixing a community? Why would you fix something you want to self implode? Seems a bit weird. But OK.

After all of that I will point out what I've pointed out to some other people already: I am fine with having the mods purged, although I know DarkViper isn't. Lots of the mods were inactive and the times were being proved to be incorrect and I did try to tell the people to pay more attention but I guess they didn't. Ryedawg does clearly show some care for the board, and is even trying to keep a log (which TBH speedrun.com should already be providing, but doesn't) but I wouldn't want him being the only mod, especially with a game with this many runners.

Also I found it a bit weird that I wasn't notified really, I thought maybe a ping from Gyoo on Twitter seeing as I was a supermod at least, and when I first saw this thread I thought it was the start of a discussion until I looked at the mod list. I understand his reasoning though.

That's all my thoughts for now, I might post some more tomorrow, it's late and I have a headache. Thanks for reading!

Ryedawg, your position as moderator has caused a rift in this leaderboard that will likely remain. We know you Rye, even if Cyoo doesn't. I won't support you and those who support me won't support you. No runner here has shown you support unless you include the resigned indifference from Toriks.

Your position is a problem for the leaderboard and that you continue to want to hold onto it shows clearly that you care nothing for the leaderboard. If you cared, you would hand over your supermod. This is all the confirmation we need that you are still doing what you have always done, putting yourself ahead of literally everyone else. It doesn't matter who suffers as long as Ryedawg wins.

For those of us who care about it, it is. This may be a new concept to Ryedawg and his cronies.

I haven't got the time to read all of that thread yet so I'll just reply to what CheeseLover posted at the beginning of page 2 regarding Ryedwag being Super Mod.

Super Mods don't have any extra power than appointing and removing regular mods

Another thing I'll say is that getting a moderator status ISN'T a reward about how good of a runner (or a person) you are but that you are trusted enough to moderate and maintain an accurate board and rye has proven over the years (and especially by organizing this year's marathon) his trustworthiness on serious matters despite his often trolley personality

Congrats, you put someone in a position of power who has repeatedly expressed their disdain for me, but yet continues to watch my stream and charges back 2 dollars towards a PC fund.

What a great decision you've made. Well done.

While I think ryedawg's usurping of the leaderboard is a bit sudden, and probably unneeded or at least too early, for discussion was still going on, I think he might be capable of maintaining leaderboards. I have not sufficiently informed myself on the arguments coming from his side, but if previous mod team really did nothing to fix run timing, even after having been told which runs are incorrect and how, then I see no harm in him leading the new moderation team.

Whether he hates on people for no reason or shits on people for no reason or trolls a lot does and should not matter, as long as they are kept separate from the leaderboard maintaining role. Ryedawg seems to be very capable of separating work and life, to call it that.

For all I care you put an actual child rapist in charge of the leaderboards. If he does a good job maintaining it I see no reason why not to.

Ditto what S. said

If you didn't want Rye to be mod you shouldn't leave any question about your competency as a mod.

Considering all the negative you and your friends have done to me, I can't trust you for as far as I can throw you.

That being said I don't need to say anything else, DarkViper pretty much summed up my thoughts entirely. Hopefully this will be fixed but if Gyoo refuses, then I guess I just won't submit runs. Fine by me.

i dont see the problem here unless ryedwag declines or does malicious things to mutt's runs - which there is currently no idication of. Mutt will you explain yourself?

Local guy can't keep the same opinion for long.

Before I may have expressed disdain for ryedawg to be moderater of the game. This was due to personal issues I have with him, which honestly have no place in speedrunning at all. Looking back, I do not think that any personal issues should factor into why or why not he is a moderator. While what M_tt has experienced certainly sucks and doesn't show a positive side of ryedawg as a person, I don't think it reflects his prowess as a mod, unless he were to start denying runs outright for no reason.

[quote=M_tt]Hopefully this will be fixed but if Gyoo refuses, then I guess I just won't submit runs. Fine by me.[/quote] I also think that that is a pretty bad reason to stop running a game, unless ryedawg does something to actually bar you from submitting runs, or denies runs or something of the sort. But I don't think that ryedawg would do something that stupid.

Ryedawg You have shown only current runs, not obsolete runs and you also didn't include individual levels. Again you exclude information to fit your narrative. Obviously the runs that stood the test of time are from non-active runners. Thus older mods are more present in the rankings. As was noted previously, it was not out of a lack of care or desire to verify runs. Runs were verified by Havii and no current runners complained. You took it upon yourself to complain on behalf of no one to seize power.

MToms127, find me a runner who complained. Even one. That you have found people who desire their own gratification and thus invent problems is not evidence of a lack of competency. In fact, the complete lack of complaints from anyone involved in GTA V demonstrates that a change of the guard was not necessary. That Ryedawg has found a bunch of unknowns, who know nothing about GTA V, to say "I agree" means absolutely nothing.

"ryedawg's usurping of the leaderboard is a bit sudden... I think he might be capable of maintaining leaderboards" That is absolutely irrelevant. You do not need to be a genius to correct times, you do however need to be trustworthy, respected by current runners and know enough about the game to settle rule disputes. These are the more important aspects of being a mod, they literally define how the game is run. These traits Ryedawg does not have. More importantly, being a mod is something earned through respect. It is not something 'usurped' when you throw a hissy fit about not getting your way. I can not disagree more that who leads doesn't matter if they can do the job, what we have built here should not be something so easily stolen by the power hungry. If he cared, he would have been here for the past 2 years. He has demonstrated that he can not maintain consideration for these boards by his incredibly long absence and complete disregard for the opinions of anyone who actually runs the game. How will rule disputes be solved now when Ryedawg feels any decision he makes can be made final without literally anyone being informed? He can not say he won't do this, we are living in that reality.

I say again, let Rye bring forth the GTA V runners who want him to lead. Let those who have done runs in the last 6 months vote on his competency. This would be the democratic thing to do, Rye won't allow this though. He has stolen power, why give it up?

Ryedawg, that you are playing nice short term to maintain power is not relevant. That you have cronies who run other games and care nothing for this board, is also irrelevant. That you specifically went to steal power, knowing the harm it would cause, shows that you care nothing for anyone else's well being. Actions speak louder than words. You can speak flowers for the next week, till the bigger mod goes away, but you will always have the knife you that you jammed into our sides behind your back waiting to strike again.

You speak of insults, you actions are an insult to literally all that we are and everything I personally have ever stood for. You could not insult me more. You disgust me as a human being, for both your past and present actions. I will not pretend otherwise to gain favour with a person I have never even met, even if you wish to continue to deceive to achieve such ends.

[quote=darkviper88]You do not need to be a genius to correct times, you do however need to be trustworthy[/quote]

If you don't have to be a genius…why weren't the times corrected before…