Also it's annoying that you guys think this is a recognition thing. It's not. I'm not being modest about WR. It's legitimately s¤¤¤ ask anyone they'll tell you the same cos it's true. If someone wants to beat my time "legitimately" DO IT!! It's not hard at all. The competition would be better if someone seen how bad it actually was.

Honestly I feel if I had the worst time on the leaderboard you guys wouldn't give a f¤¤¤ about what I've even had to say. The double edged sword is too stronk!!!

It's not that you guys are not agreeing with us. It's that we've been going circles with this. It's amazing how many times we've had to twist what we've said regarding basic facts, knowledge and dealing with people who don't even run the game in the first place.

I'm sure if I was to come into VC discussion that was regaurding something important everyone would be just as pissed considering I've only ran the game about a month and barely know my s¤¤¤.

The viewer shouldn't really have a role in determining what the community of runners speedrun.

I think this argument is a bit silly because you are saying, "I won't get Twitch views playing a category known as Misc." Yet, if enough interest to optimize the category came from the runners - just doing runs - the interest would follow. This ultimately shows that there is no REAL interest in actually running the category anyway- because if there was - you guys would be running it regardless of the recognition.

[quote]knowledge and dealing with people who don't even run the game in the first place.

I'm sure if I was to come into VC discussion that was regaurding something important everyone would be just as pissed considering I've only ran the game about a month and barely know my s¤¤¤.[/quote]

Having any knowledge of speedrunning the game is irrelevant. It's all a logic factor.

"Should All Missions be a misc? Why? Why do you blow up Ryder's car?"

You still don't get it, the reason we aren't running it (which we actually are) is because if there's no competition, there is no point in running it, viewers think it's a meme, whatever = No interest

No interest = Dead category. Game is already dead.

Enough of this, again I'll be damned if making it "non-misc" actually does anything but it's not my category as said before so it'll be there until 2-3 months have passed without effect, or if another mod makes it misc again.

This is clearly not going any further for now. Gonna lock.

2 people apparently can't push category to the limit and make it more popular amongst others this way? Amazing logic tbh

Woah, I've been popcorning this whole drama train for a few days while I've been busy, but when did I ever say I didn't like duping? I was actively encouraging people to find it since we knew it was a thing.

It doesn't matter if it's misc or not, it makes 0 difference. So people saying it should AND shouldn't be are both wrong, it literally makes no difference.

This whole discussion (more like argument) is pointless, all this is now is flaming, I'm locking the thread. Spend less time here and more time ACTUALLY SPEEDRUNNING.