San Andreas (seemingly) useless glitches megathread
8 years ago
Germany

"vertical bird skip" Hypothetical, right? I am not sure if I have tested every mission - maybe you can use some Burglary fading wait or something else to get two proper AHITH instances like with Quarry&BP. I only tested the obvious things - iirc - and maybe I missed something even with those.

oh sorry its starting home in the hills with om 0 then jump out of the plane and die. cj spawns at LV hospital- then start the mission again. its faster but no minigun ammo

Yeah if there isnt any missions that force you to have a rocket launcher you could spam the minigun at everything from SF to the end of the game. Free death is used when falling off the roof i think

Norfolk, England
zoton2
He/Him, She/Her, They/Them
7 years ago

You dupe Verdant Meadows using Blood Bowl so that gives you another free death that I don't think we use in the route yet?

EDIT: We used to use it for duping some stuff in RTLS but that's not needed anymore.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Lithuania

BB only gives 1 free deathwarp, if you enter BB twice it doesn't mean you're going to get 2. Doing the glitch mew25 posted could speed up some missions (toreno's last flight, don peyote,ice cold killa, amphibous assault, make meat business safer therefore you could do it a bit faster, etc.) also we only grab like 2k now. Also Outrider could be REALLY fast with the minigun and you would be guaranteed to lose no time during snail trail (we could do 555 semi-skip maybe?)

England

You get a free death warp setting up the dupe itself, you would probably do this early in the run, maybe buy after 555, then do deconstruction, photo op, then on drive back from photo op do this. That way you get the most missions out of the minigun and you go the least out of your way to get it? Probably better places though.

Lithuania

I Think Air Raid is one of those missions where if you dupe it, it sets your max wanted level to 0¤ until verdant meadows or something (look at mew's video in the end) so it would be harder to get a good vehicle after Jizzy for t-bone dupe. Maybe do it after mountain cloud boys? Or maybe it's best to dupe a home in the hills and not get the minigun at all? I don't think rtls without minigun would lose THAT much time if you do it correctly

Germany

Hmm, this dupe is way less useful than I thought. It is uncertain if it is faster than doing VB without getting the Ranch minigun... Someone good needs to time it.

I made a bunch of really bad videos view directory download (zip)

Results: brackets are annotations and "sources".

2:25 Vertical Bird length: [1]

After Vertical Bird: Get minigun yes or no If you want to get the minigun, then you first go to Toreno. Either way, you get an om0 call at bike school and dupe Home Coming with that in order to dupe B Dup. with the minigun 1:04 : from air strip to Ranch [inside Hydra again with 2k minigun ammo] [2] 1:34 : from Ranch to bike school, then to Home Coming [3] in total: 2:39 Without the minigun 1:39 : from air strip to bike school, the to Home Coming [4]

Either way 0:10 extra loss for the duping setup (duping HC, that is, running back into the marker and skipping the cs again) [citation needed ;)]

-> doing VB with taking the minigun takes 5:14 -> doing VB without taking the minigun takes 4:14

How much time does duped ahith cost? If you don't dupe AHITH, then

  1. you fly the direct way airport -> casino and start AHITH once.
  2. you get the om0 call with bike school after VB. If you dupe AHITH, then
  3. you take a detour to bike school between SMB and AHITH and start AHITH 2x.
  4. you get the om0 call with 8track after Home Coming. SMB, AHITH without duping 0:27 : SMB -> AHITH [5] 0:21 : AHITH start -> AHITH skydive part [6] in total: 0:48

SMB, AHITH with duping 1:16 : SMB -> AHITH with detour to bike school for the om0 call [7] 2:20 : first AHITH start to second AHITH start [8] 0:10 : time loss in duped AHITH from extra spawns 1:10 : duping setup (w/ the VB skip, you need 8-track to dupe B Dup) [9] in total: 4:56 -> duping AHITH costs: 4:56 - 0:48 = 4:08

[1] WR run 4:01:16 - 4:03:41 (split times)

[2] 4:00 - 5:45 -36s since it collects more ammo WR run 4:04:00

[3] ranch_to_bs_to_home_coming.avi (1:29 + 0:05 to get to marker)

[4] air_strip_to_bike_school_to_mansion.avi 1:34 + 0:05 to get to marker

[5] smb_airport_to_casino_no_om0_call.avi

[6] WR run 3:57:43 - 3:58:04 (splits)

[7] smb_airport_to_casino_WITH_om0_call.avi

[8] ahith_start_to_2nd_ahith_instance_skydive_part.avi

[9] 0:55 + 0:15 (waiting for the call - maybe - 50/50?) also, this is using the NRG... 8track-om0-call-setup.avi

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Lithuania

also i'd like to mention that duping B-Dub with 8-track is not something you would do in a run Edit: IIRC optimal times would be 2:15 vertical bird + 1:10 minigun ammo + 53s or so getting to the home coming marker with the hydra parked(that's quite a bit faster than car) Around 4m doing Vertical Bird w/minigun ammo + hydra parked (not sure how much that saves over car) TBH though 2:15 vertical bird is pushing it, i'd say 2:22 is the lowest you are going to get in a run(minigun strats, those flying strats never go well for any1) I don't really understand your posts patrick, i'm assuming AHITH dupe costs 4:08overall, so yeah, if vertical bird and all that is done flawlessly it's not faster

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Germany

Haha, I see. The only non-mission-threads from the main.scm that change ped or traffic density are COKEC (cesar drugs), BBALL and CARMOD. COKEC is disabled by toreno_total_passed_missions = 10, BBALL seems to be disabled when starting B Dup or sth along those lines. I had to use a fix to have it available in the first place. I had to set $1928 (address a4b780 on v1) from 1 to 0. CARMOD works but is slow. So, RIP VB skip. Well, it will not be missed, I think, it is a nice mission if you can actually play it. :D

I have edited my post to be more readable. It's useless, but I did not believe you with the B Dup thing, I guess. :P

Edit: the ZERO1 script does not look like it should set max_wanted_level to 0 permanently. It does not touch it, even. It just sets sensitivity_to_crime to 0.001 - that should have been reset by mission cleanup on mission failure, I don't know what happened there.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Lithuania

i knew that b-dub would not work because i tried it before, but zoton2 made me change my mind, he said he got it to work by skipping the cutscene really fast? haha, teach me your skills zoton Kappa

I was using no wanted level cheat OpieOP

So AHITH dupe is 30 seconds faster than doing vertical bird and getting the minigun? Shouldn't it be timed against getting the minigun since that is the current route? SO if getting the minigun at zero saves 3 minutes (there's no way it does) it would be 30 seconds faster.

Kappa

Germany

Haha.

Regarding the VB skip, it is pointless. Setting up the HC dupe in order to dupe B Dup takes forever and even if the 8-track setup worked, it would still be close.

30s is false. I do not see the problem with reading that comparison post, tell me, please.

Is the structure unclear? What italic and underlined text mean, the annotation brackets, that the times stand before the descriptions, which times need to be added together?

Edited by the author 7 years ago

Nothing wrong with your post. 30 seconds was my own timing but I timed it like this

Normal Route SMB to AHITH AHITH Vertical Bird Minigun Ranch to Bike School to Homecoming Homecoming Total

Duping Route SMB to Bike School to AHITH AHITH 1 (wasted) to AHITH 2 AHITH 2 (complete mission) Homecoming B-dup setup Total

I agree it is useless so it doesn't matter

Lithuania

I really like this setup, so i think it is worth posting here,going to be my go2 setup. It hasn't failed me yet

Germany

My setup also involves the shotgun: one roll, one shot. I use holding and letting go off LMB so that it buffers the input for consistent timing.

The "get him to the hospital" line is the longest that still gives enough time to get to the marker, afaik. I need to verify. So we should skip that line by "taking" the call instead of gaining control asap.

Lithuania

whatever works best for ya man, forgot to say a few things: In the video i started shooting a little late just to show that you can mess up a bit and still get it, ideally you would start shooting just the moment after cesar is done saying his last line. my thoughts behind Gal dying: KILL the homies, they lure the vagos guy away from his original spot because he tries to kill them and sometimes he ends up right beside Gal, i've done this 15 times by now probably and i've always killed the homies and never had issues with Gal dying, so i would say this is a fairly good assumption as to why Gal dies Edit: also what's up with the garage door in los desperados? seems RNG to me as to how fast it opens

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Germany

Reset, our setups are one frame apart. :O Which is within the margin of error.

I test using SKeys to display input and the quarry text shows as soon as player_can_start_mission is true - I verified that with scrlog. I still get variance of one frame or so, though. The problem testing it with LD is the 250ms check cycle.

Anyone know why this crashes?

Edit: nvm only passes once anyway

Edited by the author 7 years ago
United States

Someone once suggested that perhaps a Hydra could beat the NRG-500 in the Lowrider Race, since any vehicle can be used. After going through some trouble to convert a Hydra to AP (indestructable) ealry in the game I made this attempt: Since I am not a good pilot I failed, but perhaps someone better than I can beat the Individual Level record for this mission which is 0:53, done by darkgeorge111 done with a NRG-500. My personal best with a NRG-500 is 0:55 Here is the save used in the video, if someone wants to try it: http://gtasnp.com/Qj70SS

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