Forums  /  Great Giana Sisters, The  /  Current runs - Re-Timed
  MightyMike9001MightyMike9001

Hey there 🙂

I just did some work and re-timed all the current runs with the actual in-game playtime and cutting out all the loading times and level transitions in-between. As written in this thread (https://www.speedrun.com/greatgianasisters/thread/v5g6y) it's really difficult / impossible to make a reliable RTA ruleset for emulated games of this kind, that makes it fair for everyone. Different emulator settings result in different loading times, but also maybe other factors like emu-version may make a difference in the resulting times in-between the actual gameplay. Especially people who want to play on real hardware would be treated really unfair. The only solution i found, is to just take the actual time the game is played and eliminate all the other "analog" factors.

My method was to take the uploaded video and cut out all the level-transitions with a video editing tool. I tried to do this as accurate as possible. Though because of different framerates of the captures (the game runs at 50 fps, some videos are 25, others 30 fps etc..) there may be one frame plus or minus in the transitions, though they shoud even out through the entire run. But i don't think we have to be accurate down to milliseconds anyway yet. 😉

Here's the results and the corresponding supercut-videos:

1. Reboot - 06:01 -

2. RoboSparkle - 06:22 -

3. MilkToast - 06:31 -

4. WojT__gl - 06:53 -

Some final things i noticed in these runs: In Reboot's original video there was no Timer-Countdown between stage 14 and 15. Looks like a glitch but i never encountered that in my attempts before. Also WojT__gl used some weird graphics mod i didn't see before. I wouldn't have accepted this run, but it looks like the gameplay is still legit.
Also i didn't bother to cut the Warpless run from TaTuMi3 since it's just a random slow playthrough and not really a speedrun.

I hope this may bring some more consistency into this game and hope to see more runs submitted. Mine will come soon, too 🙂

Stay awesome!
Mike

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  MilkToastMilkToast

Hi,

great work retiming our runs thanks mate.

The version WojT__gl is playing seems to be the special edition so it might be legit.
http://www.indieretronews.com/2018/07/giana-sisters-special-edition-amiga.html

About becoming a moderator:
If you like to you can also suggest me as an additional moderator, I am already one for some other games so I am kinda legit. I am not sure if they will grant moderator right to a person which is kinda new to all of this.
(We did the same at Loom, Firefyte became SuperMod and made me normal Mod)

Cheers and keep on running 😉

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  MightyMike9001MightyMike9001

Hey MilkToast,

I just submitted my first run 🙂 Of course i can suggest you as an additional mod. But maybe it's even better when you apply and suggest me as Co-Mod, because as you said, i'm quite new here.

I also developed an Auto-Splitter which stops time during the level transistions. I used it the first time in my run. It's not really user friendly to use yet, but i will continue developing and post here as soon as it's somehow useable 🙂 If you (or someone else) is interested in testing, feel free to contact me.

Here's the Supercut of my current submission (6:03). There's still a lot of room for improvement, but at least i have something to show 😉

have a great time,
Mike

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  MilkToastMilkToast

Wow nice one, looked almost flaweless (didnt see much room for improvement, but still possible to beat).
Only god nows how much of a grindfest this was for you 😃
Wonder which section/Level did drove you crazy the most?

I asked about becoming a moderator you can follow that here:
https://www.speedrun.com/The_Site/thread/63nr7/342#d0ni1

Cheers

 
  MilkToastMilkToast

Hi Mike,

I would suggest everyone of us tries to contact a different Mod (if not already done?).
You can choose if you like to have RoboSparkle or Mmeaninglessnamee.
Lets see when and what result we will getting.
Okay?

(I dont really get this Discord, tried to send you a message but seems only to work if you are online...dunno yet)

 
  RebootReboot

Originally posted by MightyMike9001
In Reboot's original video there was no Timer-Countdown between stage 14 and 15. Looks like a glitch but i never encountered that in my attempts before.

Yes, that is a glitch in the game. And it is not random, you can do it every time. Which is actually a reason why cutting out the loading and bonus screen might not be a good idea. If you can do the trick, you get a better time. Also if you time your button press to start the next level better. It is not just a loading screen, it has some interaction which affect your overall time.

 
  MightyMike9001MightyMike9001

Hmm ok i understand.. but is this really the way we want to go here? I mean in the end it would only depend on whether you get the glitch or not - in every of the 20 levels. Playing the levels good or bad would become more and more meaningless. Maybe it could be an extra category or something like this.

 
  MightyMike9001MightyMike9001

Hey MilkToast, i wrote you on twitch, look at the Icon in the lower right corner 😉 I also tried to contact RoboSparkle through twitter. Let's see

 
  MmeaninglessnameeMmeaninglessnamee

Hey, game mod here.

I have no useful feedback but I just wanted to say something so people know that I am still alive. I really have no opinion on how to time this game, I only play Giana Sisters Twisted Dreams but got added as a mod for this game too.

If there's a good tool for removing load times or something, switching over to that is probably the best solution, but I'd defer to the people actually playing it.

Mmeaninglessnamee#3696 - you can contact me on discord since I pay a lot more attention to that than these forums.