The reference strawpoll is here, but it itself is not the focus of this particular thread:
http://www.strawpoll.me/12369864
I went to bed with the strawpoll on 7/1 in favor of allowing it. When I woke up 8 hours later, the vote was 20/8 in favor of banning it. I was told later that Thunder apparently "publicly advertised" it. I am not going to directly claim that he rocked the vote in his favor with it.
That being said, out of curiosity, if there are apparently 18 unknown runners who think autojump should be banned (This is besides tac and Thunder), I would like to see at least 4 of these people respond to this thread with a valid reason as to why autojump should not be allowed.
Invalid reasons include: You have to play on 1.10 and up
"It makes the game take less skill" is a debatable reason but I strongly disagree with it
I'll give until the 22nd
(If the number of asked-for commenters goes up it's because the amount of people who voted "no" on the strawpoll went up. I probably won't make it go up though unless a significant increase occurs)
You do realise the 7 that voted yes were all in the call with you in the de discord, and that is equally as bad as "public advertising" so ya
The difference I believe is that I was just arguing about the topic and they agreed with me. I don't know if Thunder did the same, or just said "Vote No" to rock the vote in his favor. That is the issue. Also, I was aware of the former, but not the latter, and the latter seems a lot more potent.
If the public actually does universally want it banned, I want to see those people and, out of curiosity on my part, ask why they are so universal on the ban. I don't see a problem with that, even if it comes out of something such as this
Just learned exactly what Thunder did. I'm leaving this up, I still want proof that a fair amount of people voted "no" for their own reasons, and not just because Thunder voted "no"
I asked a few friends about it and they all said no. I did not put it on the forums or publically advertised it. Technically I privately advertised
You posted it in the comments of your latest video, publicly
I said to take part in it to make it a fair decision. I just put what I thought below, also "I went to bed". EU players were all sleeping and au players all got on when us go to bed so obviously there would be more votes
I also asked AddMyMC about it about it earlier and he said no too and he said he would ask people what they thought and to vote their opinions. We didn't do anything wrong, we just asked people what they thought and to submit their opinions
look, people who care about the future of DE voted, it hasn't gone your way, wtf is the problem? :/
It's that we're banning a feature of the game. Banning a feature of the game is actually stupid; the only reason I even made a strawpoll is because tac was being obnoxious. "The future of DE" should not honestly be a concern, because I don't see what it's going to do worse than making the game easier. When OP leaps were introduced it was almost the same idea; things became super easy and the community became a bit stupid, but in the end it balanced out. I don't understand why the game feature of Autojump is going to ruin DE.
Please explain how autojump is going to ruin DE (taking skill out of the game in itself does not ruin the game. Not even close)
It is taking the skill off though... if auto jump is enabled it is just about who has the worst ping and all you need to do it complete the jumps... without auto jump, you still need shit ping, but it takes skill to slab boost, perfect stairs, head boosts and not to get stuck at blocks... Auto jump makes it easier than it is already :/ It wouldn't make it as challenging, therefore as fun for most people, as the strawpoll suggests :/
If it wasn't for me advertising these polls in my video, only the "extremist" DE players would have voted, which isn't the whole community. Half the community doesn't know about this speedrun website, or the forums. I didn't tell ANYONE to "vote no" I just put the links and said what my opinion was, what anyone else would have done. The "yes" option gained like 5 more votes than when I woke up... And because people DON'T WANT AUTO JUMP, we have 29 votes....
Even if it makes it less "fun" or whatever, what we are still suggesting is that we don't allow for an intended feature of the game. I still think that's bullshit. In terms of trying to make the game more "fair", at this point I feel like we have concluded that no matter what happens, this game is going to be unfair. This game in itself is entirely ping based, which is why it's unfair. So banning an INTENDED FEATURE just to try and make things fair at this point is futile.
Also: Head boosts should not be affected, autojump can fuck you many times, and this game imo is still difficult compared to many other speedruns even with autojump. The only case making it "easy" and not just "easier" is considering getting wrs, which this community for some reason is way too focused on
you have just decided against what the community thinks just because I put a link in my comments...
I've not made a decision yet actually... I stated an opinion, but I haven't made anything official yet. The reason for this thread was actually so I can see the community's thoughts, because I really was not expecting this response to be like this. So maybe we should wait and see if anyone actually expresses the same beliefs as you have at this moment before we make any claims
you literally just said that it was me who swayed the votes. No one has a speedrun.com account, otherwise there would have been more votes by the time you went to bed...
"no one has a speedrun.com account". That means that by definition everyone who wasn't in the discord at the time of me making the strawpoll received it off of you. That means you would have had full capability to sway their votes.
Also, if none of them have a speedrun.com account and therefore don't use our speedrun.com page why would they even care whether autojump was banned or not on this site? If they think it's bad, they could just not do it in that case
I never told them to say "vote no" "vote yes". Why would people get a speedrun.com account JUST for DE when they don't even go for records? or aren't good enough to get one yet... People who watch my videos are mainly DE players, therefore, when I put the link in the comments, they go and have a look and then vote to see what they think... is that a problem? you told seven people to vote yes apparently. Most of the people who have speedrun.com accounts are on the discord, so therefore YOU swayed it in your favour... but the community said no
I also never explicitly told people to vote yes. I had a long argument with tac and they were spectators, and then I ended up making the strawpoll. Most of them voted based on the argument or their own will.
Once again, maybe it isn't swayed, but I still think it is because I struggle to see how so many people think on the side of banning an intended feature (and also the community is usually predictable in that it goes for free wrs and banning autojump literally does the opposite (and don't say you said that earlier because it'll still eventually equalize, as shown with when OP leaps were introduced)). That is why this thread existed in the first place; to see actual people give responses. Maybe you could tell some people to give their opinion on here, and maybe I can understand fulling this apparent "majority" side
Also, why is everyone so closed-minded that they only see DE speedrunning as worth if they are getting World Records (at least in the case of "I don't want to be on speedrun.com until I get a world record"). That's a major problem I see in this community.
I also never explicitly told people to vote yes. I had a long argument with tac and they were spectators, and then I ended up making the strawpoll. Most of them voted based on the argument or their own will.
Once again, maybe it isn't swayed, but I still think it is because I struggle to see how so many people think on the side of banning an intended feature (and also the community is usually predictable in that it goes for free wrs and banning autojump literally does the opposite (and don't say you said that earlier because it'll still eventually equalize, as shown with when OP leaps were introduced)). That is why this thread existed in the first place; to see actual people give responses. Maybe you could tell some people to give their opinion on here, and maybe I can understand fulling this apparent "majority" side
Also, why is everyone so closed-minded that they only see DE speedrunning as worth if they are getting World Records (at least in the case of "I don't want to be on speedrun.com until I get a world record"). That's a major problem I see in this community.
