Hog Ride was it patched?
5 years ago
West Midlands, England

I'm under the impression that it has been patched, nobody on console has done it since the latest updates and such and steam is unreliable with many users been uses external tools or other methods. So could you please ban that teleport glitch from the leaderboards.

Virginia, USA

The problem is that nobody had a consistent setup for it beforehand, so we can't definitively know if it was patched or not.

West Midlands, England

But at the same time, you can't claim that it's still in the current version with no evidence of it being achieved since their patches. But since many of the mods is more into the full-game speedrun and less into time-trials, I don't want this overlooked and the run always being there with no hard evidence it still existing.

Like, I'm sure you could understand that if the glitch had indeed been patched but gone un-noticed, having the WR holder placed 2nd would be unfair.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
ParanĂ¡, Brazil

You also can't claim that it's not in the game just because no one did it since the update. You can't prove that it doesn't work if you never knew how it worked to begin with

West Midlands, England

This goes both ways, we can't prove it exists or has been removed. You won't ever find footage of it being proven out of the game due to it being inaccurate and possibly failed attempts, it is a buggy glitch where you hit the collision and aku confuses the location and sends you to the end, but you could get footage of it still existing.

Also, if nobody is searching for it still existing, then you're only assuming it's still in the game which is currently the case. You're all assuming it's still there.

West Midlands, England

The game has been released on Xbox, Switch, PC. None of you know if it's even possible on those systems, or if it still works on the PS4. I find it absurd how quick you are to defend something based on assumption with nothing to back it up besides that it once existed. All I would like is for someone to take this glitch seriously and explore if it's still accessible, if they find it, then allow it, till then perhaps have a temp ban until proof is discovered. The thing is, if it has been patched, you'd be placing world records in 2nd place, the 1st place wouldn't even be a user submission but placed in their by mods.

ParanĂ¡, Brazil

I personally haven't looked into the subject to know if that glitch is a real thing or not, but if it stood for this long and the community accepted it, it's probably a real thing and not simply a cheat.

That being said, people did look into it before and nothing was found. It's not because an update was rolled out that anything about it changed. If it was fine to accept that time as record before the update, it's still fine to accept it as a record now as we can't say "oh look, we did the setup for the glitch and it no longer works".

Also, being a mod submission doesn't take anything away from the run. The mods scouted for youtube videos to submit when the leaderboards were made.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
West Midlands, England

lol, still going with assumptions and probability over factual proof. For a moment, let's say it had been patched out okay, then it'll be unfair for a run that is unobtainable and unable to be repeated to remain, like Un-bearable had it's wr removed due to a slide glitch being patched out. Like, i'm sure you could see where I'm coming from how it is a possibility that other abuses, not just hot coco's nitro abuse had been touched upon by the devs. Nobody could claim that it still exists without it being done again in the latest version or other systems, that's my issue with the whole thing. Their is no evidence that it still remains. All I ask is if you're going to include it, have some actual proof that it's still achievable on current versions of the game.

ParanĂ¡, Brazil

You are also going with assumptions that it was patched. If it was patched, then yes, should be removed, but we don't know. Can't ban a run based on assumptions.

For Hot Coco, as an example, we had clear proof that one method that was previously possible is no longer possible, so it was disallowed. The same doesn't apply here.

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Deathwysh likes this
West Midlands, England

I disagree, i'm not going by the assumption that it had been patched, I'm going by the factual information that it has not been replicated in recent patches and also with the release onto new systems. It is known that some glitches had been patched out of the game, thus when added together you can come up with the conclusion that perhaps this glitch too had been patched. Thus why I brought up as a question hence the '?' in the title, it's a question, not a statement!

I brought up an idea of it being a temp ban after Jhobz response, the reason being is that if it still existed, you could prove it's existence much easier than proving it no longer being a thing. Hot coco is different, it had clear proof that change was there, but that glitch was also much easier to reproduce and achieve in the first place, their is simply no clear proof that hog ride still retains that glitch. If you view each of our sides of this current discussion, my view will be you're unable to replicate the glitch, but your's and Jhobz would be the glitch should still exist and thus you could get evidence of it actually still being within the game. Yet the only side that must provide evidence to back their side up, is your's, my side is the fact their is no evidence and if you're unable to provide, furthers my view of it being patched. Do you see where I'm going with this? Simply achieve the glitch on the current state of the game, and I'd happily accept it isn't patched.

European Union

This one was tricky to decide. Fact of the matter is that there exists, at least to my knowledge, literally one video on Youtube of the glitch being performed (although the leaderboard had a handful of, maybe 10 or so, times below 36?). This is obviously too small of a sample size to decide "It has been patched because it hasn't been replicated". However, I did contact Jordy about it if he or actually anybody in the old PS4 TT community has performed this glitch ever or at least knows more about it - I hope this will lead to clearing up this case eventually.

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InfiniteSynchron likes this
Virginia, USA

The thing is that a temp ban isn't something that's easy to do with the tools available. Once a run is removed from speedrun.com, it's gone until someone submits it again. Repeat that across multiple runs and levels and it adds up to a decent chunk of time. And it's not that people are making assumptions about whether the glitch is still present or not, it's simply maintaining the status quo. The multiplatform patch has only been out a couple weeks. Once more time has passed, if the glitch (or a good enough time on one of the console leaderboards) has surfaced again, then we've got proof it still exists. If not, any runs utilizing it can be removed then. There's no reason to hastily jump to banning it within the first month.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Pomorskie, Poland

I have to agree with Infinite here, I have never seen anyone doing this glitch besides that one guy so it's still unfair nonetheless you can't really compete with the time this guy has, I'm not sure if this is patched but since no one has still done it from what it looks like it probably is and also the run wasn't even submitted by the guy who did the glitch so why is it such a problem to remove it, the game has been out for a year and nothing like this has really happened so I think it should be removed, but hey I can't decide anything it's up to the mods after all...

InfiniteSynchron likes this
Brazil

[quote] I'm under the impression that it has been patched, nobody on console has done it since the latest updates and such [/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that it was patched.

** The collision for the rotisseries in Hog Wild was fixed, making the third one easier to jump over **

[quote] Steam is unreliable with many users been uses external tools or other methods [/quote]

PC version of any game will always be superior and more consistent. External tools can be used in any platform. What you mean with "other methods"?

[quote] So could you please ban that teleport glitch from the leaderboards. [/quote]

I agree, the glitch doesn't exist anymore so all runs in the older patch should be obsoleted and put in another category. For example, "Old patch any%"

But here is another proof that PC is widely superior. You can downpatch on PC, so IT IS the fastest version to run this game by far since old patches are more likely to have more glitches (not always useful, but you'll never know if you don't try).

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Poland

Hog Wild =/= Hog Ride I'm not sure if we can downpatch to that patch on PC because PC version of game didn't exist before 29th June (When new patch happened) (Correct me @anyone_who_knows_stuff_about_it if I'm wrong)

toca likes this
West Midlands, England

Update: PS4's glitched numbers went from 16 - 17 recently. Unsure if the glitch is console specific

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